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You sound like you've never argued with fascists online.
They only exist in echo chambers, anyway, and do not debate in good faith. There is nothing similar to what Daryl Davis did except in the most superficial way possible. Go visit /r/conservative and you might actually learn a thing or two.
I'm a bit slow this morning.
This is already a point at which you should go home and rethink your life. Everything else you've said only digs the hole deeper.
That's a hilarious turn; my statement was meant to be rhetorical. But you really have never argued with fascists!
And I never said YOU were fascist... but I guess that doesn't fit with your canned response then, huh?
Fascism:
Yea wow, we've never seen that in the last 7 years!
I can see I really triggered you with that word. It's hilarious that you self-identified with it and got defensive.
Ah, right- There are no fascists but if there are it's the leftists! Thanks for a good laugh today. Don't ever let facts get in your way, bud.
Great theory, but lets take a look at reality.
Have you heard of MAGA?
While Trump announced he "plans to eliminate executive branch constraints on his power if he is elected president in 2024"
See the last point..
Like Jan 6th.
You can't just make up whatever you want when you're not in /r/conservative. You are constrained by reality. Nobody is here to delete my posts and ban me for you.
"lol, I hate the main conservative group in the US because they're not the right kind of ~~Scotsman~~ conservative. Instead, I love the guy who been pushing the most extreme book-banning policy in the US."
did you forget that this was a conversation about fascism when you brought DeSantis up, or do you not know who he is?
lol no
who do you think tricked them into believing that? or do you think it was all one massive coincidence?
That's what you did. So I responded with actual examples, using the conservative front runner- and you replied with "no true Scotsman".
That makes absolutely no sense.
Oh wow did somebody place you under arrest for posting your opinions online?? Or does this have absolutely nothing to do with free speech, again?
Well, if he didn't selectively edit reality, he wouldn't be conservative but my money is on "this is how he stays mask on".
He doesn't truly believe anything he's just said. That's why if you check his history, it's littered with examples of Fascist Brand™ nationalism that he's just claimed conservatives don't believe in.
He knows his peers and politicians fit the fascist label better than anyone. That's why self-confessed, swastika-waving fascists support them and more than likely why he supports them.
It took decades to dawn on them, but nobody gives a shit what fascists and neo-nazis think about the way society is run. Their gold standard is a genocide.
And so the alt-right was born. They had the same opinions as neo-nazis, the same key figures as neo-nazis and the same solutions as neo-nazis but they staunchly insisted they weren't neo-nazis.
That plausible deniability earned them a platform they'd previously only dreamed of. Not just social media and it's endless pool of disaffected young men and unmedicated schizophrenics but actual international news networks who hadn't handed a mic to a Nazi since Hitler.
Of course, they couldn't keep it in their pants for long. They triumphantly ripped off their masks at the "Unite The Right", proudly displaying their swastika tattoos, white supremacist chants and domestic terrorism against innocent people deemed "leftist".
Their plausible deniability vanished, as did some of their biggest, violentest, most slur-friendly platforms. So they retreated, regrouped and came back with a new strategy.
They're just "conservatives" now. Still the same neo-nazi opinions, still the same neo-nazi figures, still the same neo-nazi solutions. But if you state the obvious, they'll deny it. They'll try and shame you for saying it. They'll claim over and over again that the alt-right never existed and they're just average conservatives. Maybe even moderates.
Not because they believe it, but because they know that going mask off loses them platforms.
This guy definitely knows it. His tactics aren't just rehearsed, but traceable back to brain-storming sessions held by racists, sexists and extremists where they openly try and figure out how best to "red-pill" vulnerable people like children, the lonely, the stupid and the mentally ill.
If your instance admin can't see that, it's time to find a new instance. That one has cancer and thinks they can stop it metastasizing with polite discussion.
What? Says who? This only exists in r/conservative echo chambers. You're free to say what you want but nobody has to listen.
The "prepared to fight to the death to defend it" is in reference to the "free speech" that the constitution protects. We literally had a war about it 300 years ago. You can't have it both ways.
I'm saying Trump it the leader of the Conservative party in America and you are saying he's not a true conservative. It's the definition of "no true Scotsman". Stating it's not doesn't actually change anything.
This is delusional. Fox news is the largest "news" organization in America by a wide margin.
Fox is only centrist by American conservative standards. The positions they support are considered far-right by most of the developed world outside of the middle-east and china.
I believe it. What I'm saying is that from your insular experience you wouldn't realize that what you consider "centrist" is actually "far-right".
In reality the largest news organization in America is "far-right" with some smaller extremist-right orgs. What you consider "leftist" is actually "centrist" by developed-nation standards. You can go on calling it what ever you like but it has no basis in reality outside of conservative echo chambers.
No, I get it. You are not going to let facts get in the way of your conclusions. You don't sound dismissive you seem uninformed. That's fine and on brand with the positions you've shared.
By what metric? Name one metric that US is number one in other than defense spending.
You cannot back up a single thing you say; all you offer are personal anecdotes. I guess your point would be that you're not informed enough to know the difference? That doesn't make you correct it makes you ignorant. And that's fine, not everyone can be informed, just don't pretend that you are.
I'm cracking up that you're now downvoting my comments after writing:
Feeling sanctimonious, yet?
Please continue dazzling me with you personal anecdotes from the butt-crack of America.
You didn't list a single thing America is #1 in. Is there a single thing other than defense spending?
All of your "metrics" are either not true or not metrics. That is amazing.
I'm just asking for facts not biased nationalism. I'm not sure what I expected.
My point was that America is not number one in anything. It doesn't mean it's a bad place to live it's just delusional to think it's the "greatest" by any measurable metric. Research "nationalism" if you need more information.
I'm sure you can list one thing America is number one at? Its such a firm belief you hold you must know one thing, right?
Or is your opinion just entirely based on emotion?
Your position is that America is "the greatest country possible" so the political spectrum used by the rest of the developed world is not relevant to us. We went through this exercise to illustrate that America actually doesn't lead the world in anything except defense spending and mass shootings.
So to bring it back full-circle, before you sent us down a tangent about your nationalism-
The largest news organization in America, Fox News, is far-right. What you consider "far-left" is considered centrist to right-leaning in the rest of the developed world. America is not "so great" that we can't consider these classifications because America doesn't actually lead the world in anything other than death.
Lol, this person has to be a troll or completely delusional.
lol. "He does not represent the voice of conservative Americans. I mean, conservative Americans love him and want to vote for him and boo anybody who wants to run against him, especailly in Republican-party-controlled spaces, but that's all liberals' fault, no true conservative likes Trump."
also, weird to focus on religion, but: https://web.archive.org/web/20201024120658/https://religionnews.com/2020/10/23/exclusive-trump-confirmed-a-presbyterian-now-identifies-as-non-denominational-christian/
I've never heard anybody argue that fascism means "literally the Italian fascist party" before. Based on your previous comment, it seems that you're unaware—many people consider the Nazis fascists, as well. Particularly, everybody who knows the first thing about fascism.
And did you give such flowery speeches about people's "freedom of speech" over in r/Conservative when they routinely banned people for not just disagreeing, but for not agreeing enough?
Or, like them, is your sense of injustice reserved entirely for straight, white reactionaries?