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Your thoughts on The Orville?
(lemmy.world)
When I first started this show I found it to be a really awkward mix of comedy and seriousness. It had some jokes thrown it at the most inopportune times as some kind of comic relief from a really serious situation. Perhaps the first half of the first season was actually a bit rough or maybe the show just grew on me, but by season 2 I found myself loving this show.
To me it seems as every bit as comfy, intellectually interesting and even funny as some classic Star Treks while still clearly being its own thing. I wish more comfy space shows like this would get made.
What are your thoughts on The Orville? Also I miss Alara.
I loved how Klyden grew through that story line, realizing what his prejudice was costing him and growing!
The Klyden storyline has so many nuances to it. It's not just that Klyden is a bigot. "He" was also re-gendered so he knows what Topa is going through and feeling far better than anyone else. A big part of his intransigence comes from a place of, "If I had to deal with this trauma, so should everyone else." It helps explain his extreme position without letting him off the hook and I really liked that.
For sure. I'm calling him "he", because thats what he appears to identify with.
Hes undeniably a bigiot at the beginning, but i think a lot of that comes from... a gamblers fallacy, worrying what hes already invested in his identity, and knowing he might have been wrong, and it reaches a crescendo, before Klyden is forced to realize hes made the wrong decision, and rejoins his husband and daughter.
so good.
I think it's deeper than that. Klyden exists to represent Moclan society as a whole. He is the stand-in for their traditions, world, history, and culture.
We, the audience, are presented at the onset with a society that is male-only. The ship's crew, along with us, are sort of hand-waved away when asking questions about how things work in the bedroom, but on the whole, no one seems to have a problem with their culture. In fact, we even see this male-only species reproduce successfully before we learn that there are the potential for female infants.
In Moclan society, being born female is an aberration. It's not a biological necessity, and, for whatever reason, the Moclan culture views "being female" as a birth defect, one that can be easily corrected. It's sort of how, today, we view children born with a clef palette. There's no good reason to keep it around, and lots of reasons to repair it as soon as possible. Klyden represents this mindset and viewpoint perfectly.
Imagine someone fighting tooth-and-nail to not repair a cleft palette, or some other easily-fixable birth defect. Imagine them standing up in court and declaring that this obvious flaw is something that no one has the right to fix. Klyden is, from his own experience, outraged, and furious. Put yourself in his shoes, and his actions have nothing to do with bigotry, or hate. He's not angry at his child for being female, or at his husband for supporting her decision to become female. He's mad at the world because his entire world-view is challenged by his family.
In fact, he sees his culture, history, society, and even legal system saying that he is right, that the child should be male, and then he sees his husband and child, serving on a Union starship, talking nonsense about a "choice." That line where he says he wishes she'd never been born wasn't anger at her. It was anger that he is being forced to choose, and no matter which thing he chooses, he will loose a huge part of himself -- either his family, or his history.
And if he chooses his family, he has to confront the fact that what was done to him was just as wrong as what he did to his daughter.
Few people, even space aliens, have the emotional maturity to handle that kind of revelation in the moment without doing something regrettable.
But fuck, this kind of novel is why I love this show so much. When was the last time you had a long talk about that time Riker killed all his clones?
Well put!
I think this comparison doesn't really work. In this analogy, Topa would be going to the doctor and saying, "For some reason, my lip feels wrong to me. I can't put my finger on it but I feel like I have the wrong lip. Can you help me?"
It's a bit of a different dynamic when the person who was 'fixed' is telling you over and over again that they don't feel fixed; Rather they feel broken and don't know why.
The season 3 episode, perhaps, but remember, there was an entire episode when Topa was born in season 1. It was like, episode 3 or 4 or something early in the show, where the doctor refused to perform the surgery, and they went all the way back to Moclan. It's where we first meet that Dolly Parton female Moclan lady whose name I can't remember at the moment. This is the incident I was referencing here.