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Regarding the “Rust” shooting.
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My take is that Alec Baldwin the Actor isn't to blame. Alec Baldwin the Producer caused all of the Armourer problems by running a low budget production.
As an actor he wasn't supposed to check the gun, however as a producer he failed by not hiring the correct licensed armourer due to cutting corners.
Probably the most sane take I've read so far.
And this is Alec Baldwin's passion project, so yeah.
Never really thought about it that way. But yeah, whoever hired that lady should share some of the blame.
As a "gun guy", I think Alec Baldwin the actor is also to blame for not learning/practicing firearm safety. Always check your weapon.
Checking a revolver to confirm they type of prop ammo is very different than a regular weapon check.
Different shots require different ammo. You may have a shot where the revolver is seen from the business end, so there needs to be a bullet of some kind in the cartridge - so maybe it's a real bullet with no powder or primer. Or maybe the shot shows an open cylinder, so you need primers but no bullets. Or maybe you need to show the actor loading, so it's a plastic primer or entirely fake round. Or maybe it's being fired, so you need a blank...
The mixture of different kinds of prop ammo is how Brandon Lee was killed on set. A bullet came dislodged from a round being used for a previous scene and was still in the barrel when a blank was fired. That effectively made a live round that killed Lee.
So the barrel also needs to be checked for squibs if it's goong to be loaded with blanks.
It's not as simple as a regular press-check or opening the cylinder. I carry a gun every day and am a firm believer in gun safety at all times, but props are treated differently because they are different.
As a part of their job, actors will point guns at each other and pull the triggers. The normal firearm safety procedures just don't work with them.
Actors' job isn't to be as knowledgeable as a firearm consultant, hence why they hire one. The same way they trust any scene has been safely planned out before hand and the giant boulder is assumed to be fake and not a real rock, and the harnesses that suspend them weren't set up wrong so they fall and break their neck.
Range safety is a class that takes less than an hour to teach, and Alec Baldwin had to go through one of these classes for the movie. You don't need to be a gun nut to understand how to check a firearm and be safe.
Also, don't lump me in with the NRA. They're a racist, psychotic organization
I don't think any knowledge can be permanently retained from a one-hour class. There are things I've learned for my job weeks ago that directly correlate to my field of expertise, that I still constantly need to look up from time to time.
Not to mention, I doubt a one hour course could cover the mechanisms of every uniquely-operated firearm in existence.
That first paragraph sounds like software engineering lol
But it's not a weapon, it's a prop.
Are you saying all children should learn firearm safety to handle their water pistols?
It's both which seems unreasonable
Especially aiming directly at her and pulling the trigger. I don't believe it was malicious but damn; I would never consider that without triple clearing the weapon. I still would feel comfortable.
Can a layman even check that? The gun was supposed to be loaded. Just loaded with a blank
Yes. Blanks don't have a bullet in the cartridge. It's just crimped on the end
So he needs to take the bullet out, inspect and reload? Is there additional risk making an actor do that? Honestly asking
Not sure how there would be any additional risk as long as the actor keeps their finger off the trigger until they're ready to shoot
Even if he took the bullet out he would have seen it was indeed a blank. He would have had to take the bullet out and hold the barrel up to the light with the chamber open to see a previous bullet was stuck in the barrel.
That really depends on what kind of producer he was. Many times getting a producer credit just means you're a major stakeholder or own some rights involved in the project. A producer isn't a blame magnet, and negligence can be proven at a level lower than a producer.
As a human, if you are handed a gun, you check to see if it's loaded and what it's loader with. That is the first thing you do when handed a gun. Anything else is irresponsible.
But... What if I'm an actor who's never seen a gun.. Do i quit or is it too much of an expectation for an expert to be present and why the hell would that gun be real to begin with?
Just my two cents, and I absolutely am not pretending to have any experience with this. I'd assume so long as the actor isn't negligent or grossly irresponsible they're in the clear. Actors are not firearms experts, and training every actor to be Keanu Reeves/John Wick is super expensive. So whomever is the firearms expert, and whomever was involved with the contracting of that expert face liability.
That's why Baldwin the actor isn't responsible, but Baldwin as producer might be. Since as a producer he'd bear responsibility for hiring and contracting.
"Wait, so what do I need to do to uncock it so that I can check it over?"
"Actually, it's weird. You need to pull the trigger halfway, and it releases. But do it carefully."
"...uh..."
"Okay, after nearly shooting my foot off, I've opened the gun, and there appear to be rounds inside!! Stop the shoot!"
"Oh. Those are blanks."
"Wait, how do I know they're blanks?"
"Same way you know how to uncock it."
Not to mention they're literally SUPPOSED to point the gun at people, which is also a big "gun safety" no-no.
He pulled a Boeing max basically. Where in they refused to pay for pilot training which led to many deaths until someone was convicted and they were forced to pay for pilot training. Cutting corners shouldn’t come at a cost of complete negligence for human life.
Actors go through training for learning martial art moves for a film. No reason they can do gun safety training for a film.