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Community description for ManufacturingConsent is "when the media decides who you are rooting for." So, being banned for questioning their narrative strikes me as absurdly funny. I mean, I guess if the idea of the community is that geneva_convenience should decide whom you root for, that would track.

The post in question: https://piefed.ca/post/266435

(I pointed out that the Guardian was probably including the hostages who died after the attacks. This really bugged OP and led to a ban.)

I don't really care for a remedy, seems a silly place. Just thought it was funny as heck.

(For what it's worth, like most, I side with Palestine but I think being accurate lends credence to our cause.)

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 4 days ago

Conflating the Palestinian resistance with ICE is pretty damn creepy in my book.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 7 points 4 days ago

Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad regardless of whether we think the kidnapper is on the right side of history.

Being unable to acknowledge the wrongs committed by those whom we support is pretty damn horrifying in my book. To see the same willfully ignorant "america/trump/the church can do no wrong" attitude but on the Left breaks my heart.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It is always bad unless it is Israel who does it

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 4 points 3 days ago

That's literally the opposite of the point to which you are responding.

[-] mrdown@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago
[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Are you sure you're responding to the comment you think you are? Maybe double check?

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago

Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad

Really? We literally are forced to exist with taxpayer-funded institutions whose entire purpose is to kidnap civilians as part of their function to repress dissent - they are called police.

Fyi, I am absolutely conflating the institution of policing with that of Israel - it's perfectly justified as they are both colonialist and white supremacist creations.

Besides all that, Israel - like all colonialist entities - have, since it's invention, made little secret of the fact that they de facto make zero distinction between "civilians" and "combatants." Therefore, I see no need to hold the Palestinian resistance to the high standards that white liberalism have refused to apply to Israel for decades now - especially when the crimes (if they can even be called that) the Palestinian resistance have committed is downright microscopic in comparison to those perpetrated by Israel and it's benefactors for more than half a century now.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 3 points 3 days ago

Just so I understand, it's totally cool and heck, probably good for Hamas to murder as many Israelis as they can but simultaneously, we are embarrassed about accurately counting the killed?

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

about accurately counting the killed?

What are you counting so "accurately," Clyde? Do you have an "accurate" tally of all the Israelis the IDF slaughtered on Oct 7 because murdering Palestinians is far more important to them than keeping their own people alive?

Just so I understand,

Don't feign ignorance... seems to me that you know exactly what you are doing here.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 5 points 3 days ago

What are you counting so “accurately,”

If you look at the actual post you're commenting on, you should be able yo figure it out, I have faith in you Bob!

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

Then you sould have no problem providing us with these "accurate" numbers of yours, shouldn't you?

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Again, if you uhhh, look at the post to which you are referring, you'll find them! I still believe in you!

If you really are having difficulties reading the post etc, just let me know.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Why do you insist on talking like the most insufferable Reddit loser imaginable?

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Holy shit kid, I was going to give an actual response but then, good God, read your comment history. You seem determined to be miserable at people.

I hope you are more pleasant in real life and/or things get better for you.

Take care.

[-] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago
[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 3 points 2 days ago

It just seems wild to me. They have almost 2K comments and if they're mostly like this... Like, it doesn't seem enough to be trolling just... unpleasant? Blech.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago
[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 2 points 2 days ago

1,758 comments in ten months with a 34% up/down ration, I can't imagine choosing to spend so much time being so unpleasant and seemingly unhappy.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Holy shit go back to Reddit

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

Soooo... you don't have "accurate" tallies?

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 4 points 2 days ago

In the post, the thing about which you are commenting, there's the death total provided by OP. There are hostages, taken in the attack who died as a result of being taken hostage.

I provided both in the comment in this post.

I have no idea what accurate tallies you are demanding or what they would have to do with the Guardians headline. Are you a bot?

[-] RenLinwood 6 points 3 days ago
[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Okay, hope you feel better friend!

Edit: missed a pair of words, like a jerk!

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 4 days ago

Do you think Israel are the good guys in this situation?

Ignoring that they have Gaza as an open air prison, they have magnitudes more Palestinians in prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Did you mean to respond to another comment or did you completely miss the point?

Edit: to put it more politely... The entire above point is that rhe evil of Israel's war does not change whether murdering and kidnapping civilians is wrong.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 days ago

See this reinforces the removal you're complaining about.

The entire above point is that rhe evil of Israel's ~~war~~ genocide and colonial project does not change whether murdering and kidnapping civilians is wrong.

What you miss is at this point Israel has been ICE the entire time

Do you not understand why going into a thread about bias in reporting to make Israel look good then blaming Palestinians and equating hamas to ice would be frowned upon?

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Read what you are responding to but carefully.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 days ago

Just because it's not the answer you want doesn't mean it wasn't read or said carefully.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 4 points 3 days ago

It's more that the answer makes no sense in the context of the post, but sure!

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

Gotta love when people come in here acting like the innocent victim and then take their mask off in the comments.

[-] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I read it and I don't think it wasn't conflating them, I think it was just a simile. Granted, I think OP was wrong here and the simile didn't track because of it, but still, the ICE mentions could've been swapped with something entirely separate and the conversation would remain the same because it wasn't a direct comparison.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Similes are rhetorical conflations. A conflation is generally an attempt to treat two similar ideas as roughly the same, which is the rhetorical purpose of a simile. If you didn't see the comparison between the two events and want to link the ideas in the audience's mind you would use different examples.

Tl;Dr the rhetorical act of comparing presumed like to like is usually a rhetorical act of conflation

[-] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

the ICE mentions could’ve been swapped with something entirely separate

If they swapped the comparisons with something appropriate - for instance, MK capturing white South Africans to trade for the thousands the Apartheid-regime kidnapped and disappeared - their point stops looking so obvious, doesn't it?

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