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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 days ago

You know what this shit reminds me of? North Korea.

Yes, all of the nation is well fed. Uh huh. Sure

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

North Korea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Pyongyang

The bombing of Pyongyang was conducted as part of a gradual and sustained United Nations Command aerial bombing of North Korea during the Korean War. The first bombing raid targeting Pyongyang occurred on June 29 1950, four days after North Korea's invasion of South Korea. By the time of the armistice in July 1953, 75 percent of Pyongyang's area had been destroyed.

Gotta remind me which major US city endured this kind of bombardment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990s_North_Korean_famine

The famine stemmed from a variety of factors. Economic mismanagement and the loss of Soviet support caused food production and imports to decline rapidly. A series of floods and droughts exacerbated the crisis. The North Korean government and its centrally planned system proved too inflexible to effectively curtail the disaster. North Korea attempted to obtain aid and commercial opportunities, but failed to receive initial attention

Or which US states suffered from a combination of regional depression, natural disaster, and global embargo to justify the skyrocketing cost of food.

Yes, all of the nation is well fed. Uh huh. Sure

The difference between the US and NK is that in North Korea in the late 90s, there was quite literally not enough food to support the population.

The US doesn't have that problem. We are in full on Grapes Of Wrath territory.

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

That's cool and all, but I'm mostly talking about how the government, specifically it's leader, makes blanket statements about the health and happiness of the population, and there's not only conflicting reports but actual evidence that some people in NK are actively starving.

This was to allude to the fact that Trump is acting like an authoritarian dictator.

The suffering of the North Korean people not withstanding.

I won't argue that some crappy shit went down for them, but that wasn't what I was trying to imply with my comment at all. I'm making a correlation between the current lies that we can factually disprove, being said by the government/leader of NK, and the same kind of lies coming from the government/leader of the USA.

By no means am I saying that the people of the USA, have it as bad as the people in North Korea.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I’m mostly talking about how the government, specifically it’s leader, makes blanket statements about the health and happiness of the population

Sure. Why fixate on material conditions when you can complain about rhetoric?

I’m making a correlation between the current lies that we can factually disprove, being said by the government/leader of NK, and the same kind of lies coming from the government/leader of the USA

I see so many outrageous claims aimed at NK. There's an entire cottage industry of people coming over to the US to spin insane stories full of blatant falsehoods, and Americans eat it up.

Google "Yeomni Park" for the highlights reel.

How do you decouple that from a critique of US propaganda?

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Nah. I'm good.

I'm not here to convince you that my off the cuff remark is valid. If you disagree, that's cool.

I can't think of anything I could care less about right now than whatever chip you have on your shoulder about North Korea.

Believe what you want. The comment was supposed to be desparaging to the president of the USA.... And spoiler.... I'm not a US citizen. I don't even live there.

Neat, huh?

Have a good day.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I’m not here to convince you

I'm glad to hear it. I was worried.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Have a good day.

[-] Saryn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I think you might be replying to the wrong comment. Not sure.

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