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Several prominent Chinese figures, including top Harvard mathematician Liu Jun, award-winning computer scientist and blockchain expert Chen Jing and rising AI star Fu Tianfan, have since left the US and returned to China to take up roles in prestigious institutions in cities like Beijing, Nanjing and Shenzhen.

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

But somehow it’s not OK to ban extreme religion for the exact same reasons.

Like Israel is doing in Gaza?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Obviously not, since Israel is doing the exact same the Nazis were, which is an actual genocide.
I have not heard that China is killing off Uighur's.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

But Israel is fighting against an extremist and verifiably dangerous religious sect (Hamas). Surely that is righteous given your above comments?

And I'll just leave this here. It's well cited so follow sources if you like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

They are shooting toddlers in the head, you Nazi.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago
[-] 3abas@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago
[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

"I know you are but what am I?"

🙄

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

With regard to Israel/Palestine, both sides are infested with religious dogma, but Israel is an invader of Palestine. Israel should have no say at all on what goes on in Palestine.
You are making a slippery slope argument.

What I said was the religion shouldn't be allowed "special" pleading. Not that they can't have rights.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

What I said was the religion shouldn’t be allowed “special” pleading. Not that they can’t have rights.

So perhaps I misunderstood when you said they don't have a right to exist (e.g. can be banned)?

But somehow it’s not OK to ban extreme religion for the exact same reasons.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If a extreme religion is against what we stand for as a society, why then is it more wrong to ban a religion than to ban Nazism?
I absolutely stand by my claim that religion should not have special pleading.
Obviously Islam in Palestine is not against the values of Palestine. Palestine is not for Israel to decide over and control.
If in society it is illegal to discriminate against women, religion should not be a free card to discriminate against women.
The religion needs to change to respect humanitarian values, society should not respect religious practices that don't.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

If a extreme religion is against what we stand for as a society, why then is it more wrong to ban a religion than to ban Nazism?

Gotcha - free speech is at the pleasure of the state then?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Gotcha

🤣 🤣 🤣

And not even being able to answer the question. 🤣 🤣 🤣
Free speech is not absolute, and I live in probably the only country in the world that actually tried that!
Free speech ends for instance when it encourages crimes or oppress minorities, or is spreading harmful lies Religions often do all 3.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Free speech is not absolute, and I live in probably the only country in the world that actually tried that!

So it's at the pleasure of the state then?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I already answered your question, free speech is regulated everywhere, it's a moronic question, but I refuse to accept your rhetoric, as it has nothing to do with pleasure, that's a loaded question.

I answered your question, but you never answered mine!
Again: If an extreme religion is against what we stand for as a society, why then is it more wrong to ban a religion than to ban Nazism?

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

I already answered your question, free speech is regulated everywhere, it’s a moronic question, but I refuse to accept your rhetoric, as it has nothing to do with pleasure, that’s a loaded question.

I mean - you have completely agreed with me. You just like to phrase it in a way that is more weasel-wordy.

Again: If an extreme religion is against what we stand for as a society, why then is it more wrong to ban a religion than to ban Nazism?

Let me piss you off by answering your question with yet another question - who is determining what is a "religion that is against what we stand for as a society". And let me remind you who the current US president is.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Man how dense are you? I used USA together with Nazism as examples of how religion is harmful.
Iran is running a patriarchy, that's their decision. But the way USA is turning is against everything USA stood for for half a century, and the decline of American values to an authoritarian regime that persecute minorities, completely against the idea of freedom that used to be important for Americans, and it is all driven by religion.

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