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Are you a "tankie"? (2025 edition)
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I think I interacted with one? They were denying the prosecution of the Muslim Uygurs by China
Interesting that the outright Islamophobe seems to be defending muslims against China. Either way, it's likely you were told that the situation is more complicated. The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective's Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China's response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn't going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this.
Lol, it was the very same "bear or man" but I just changed man with Muslim because that's what you're all being stupid about. The bear or man point stayed but mine got "moderated" for islamophobia. And yeah this "outright islamophobe" is against the concept of ethnic cleansing, wowe.
While I appreciate you actually bringing up sources unlike that other asshole, I can't really take you seriously throwing out claims like the first one.
Now, I won't admit I'm an expert and it's a fairly way back event. But what I was told was that they basically corraled all those Muslims and didn't let them practice their faith.
Why can't people admit countries do shitty things? It's happened with mine, it's happened with China and it's happened with the US.
Being islamophobic "ironically" doesn't get a pass, though. All that looks like is looking for an excuse to be bigoted in a socially acceptable manner.
Either way, you admit to not being an expert and haven't dug into sources, yet fully accept what you are told and agree that China is committing ethnic cleansing just because "countries do shitty things?" High accusations like ethnic cleansing need actual proof, not just people parroting the claims of Adrian Zenz uncritically.
There's a political reason the idea of genocide is pushed, it's to undermine the PRC's international image and delay the Belt and Road Initiative in the Xinjiang Autonomous Zone, which is a key point connecting mainland China to Europe and the Middle East.
Again, being islamophobic "ironically" to get upset at someone complaining about systemic violence against women is not okay.
Women and muslims are both systematically oppressed groups, you used someone complaining about violence against women as a springboard to make an incredibly poor "joke" about muslims, just repeating standard islamophobic talking points as the "joke." This isn't about virtue signalling, you were in the wrong and it was right to remove your comment.
None of this will "get people to vote for Trump," people that talk like that would have voted for him anyways.
So it wasn't a joke, you were just being openly islamophobic after all? Incredible.
Again, women and muslims are both systemically oppressed. No, nobody said "all men are predators," you took personal offense to someone talking about widespread systemic oppression of women. Do some self-crit, you talked down on someone speaking against oppression and added your own islamophobic take.
I'm sorry but yeah. I'll be blunt but yes. Someone said "All men are predators". In Spanish actually, because I live in Spain "Todos los hombres son predadores, está en los estudios" where their words one to one.
The way I see it now, feminism has been poisoned by all this fairly recent talk and I certainly make it known on my valots.
Simply put, being part of a sistematically oppressed group shouldn't give free reign to insult people. Point one, me! I'm Muslim and if you try to dig down my posts and say "you aren't brown enough". Please self-flagellate upon said islamophobia.
Again, you're pushing back against people complaining about the very real systemic oppression of women. Feminism is not "poisoned," people like you take the real complaints and assume personal accusation of each and every man. I'm a man, and I don't take offense when people speak out against the oppression of women by men, because I know they aren't talking about me.
No cant do, I'll take people at their word the same way you took mine. I won't assume "they aren't talking about me", I'm done keeping that aside because it hasn't done me any good.
I'll be keeping my self-respect and I will not support any of these smear campaings.
You'll continue to prove the feminists that describe fierce opposition to women's rights from men correct.
It's more of a self-made prophecy then. You can't alienate a whole group of society and surprise yourself when said group leaves you behind. Look, we're two men wasting our time away for people who don't care about us. Let's call it done.
Feminists aren't alienating a whole group of society, said group is alienating itself by rejecting real and valid critique of the oppression of women. I'm not alienated from feminism, and women do care about me. We can call it done if you want, but I'm still going to disagree.
Again, we are back at the same talking point.
Why is me the man supposed not to feel insulted by this? And me the Muslim supposed to feel insulted by this?
They are the same sentences, just with different subjects. This very stupid "You're only allowed to say X to a certain group of people" will make that very same group of people look at you and walk off. Right now you're only justifying that because the net is so wide you shouldn't get caught in it.
My principle is don't be an asshole. Not, don't be an asshole "to suppressed people". Me following my principle has taken me away from feminism as they're simply treating me wrong and misrepresenting the group I'm a part of. I made those comments to call out the hypocritical in it and I got hit with more hypocrisy. So yeah, I'm allineated all right
No, they are calling attention to systemic oppression of women and you are taking it personally.