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[-] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 123 points 3 weeks ago

I hate how some are trying to spin this as "he was killed just for having different opinions" like no, he didn't just have "different opinions" that's grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is "worth it" because "god given rights" (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn't allow her to have an abortion

All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don't know

[-] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know

For a white ethnostate run by fuck-you-got-mines, obviously.

[-] Ghis@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

If they're "just words" then why are they so butthurt over our words? It's just words when I say "Charlie Kirk deserved what he got". What's the big deal???

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions”

...like who?

[-] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

I heard something like that from 2 different 'news' sources. One was Fox News and the other was PBS news. The PBS one was a lot less direct, but some rando who knew nothing about him could still take that message away. Zero mention of what he advocated for beyond challenging opinions on college campuses and mentioning he was a right wing influencer. They were playing up the think of the CEO's family card just like they did with the UHC CEO. Oh and don't forget the 247 (/s) random politicians who condemn political violence.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

One was Fox News

Shocking

the other was PBS news

No, it wasn't. Bullshit.

don’t forget the 247 (/s) random politicians who condemn political violence.

Okay. That's just what they feel they have to do for appearances. Even the ones who actively wish for political violence (Trump) say that shit. No one should be surprised there.

[-] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago

Why do you disbelieve me? Do you think that PBS news wouldn't focus on the political beliefs of a political activist without actually mentioning what those beliefs are when eulogizing him? They talked about how he was big in the Maga movement and how he was close to trump, but they didn't mention any of his horrible views that he got flack for. When you don't mention what his actual horrible views were and instead focus on a bunch of politicians' generic condemnation of political violence, It's not exactly a stretch to think that a viewer could think he was killed for his opinions or his political stance. PBS didn't say that directly, but they don't have to for people to take that message away.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

PBS is a respectable news source that I trust. Some internet rando is not.

Edit: I don't care if any of you self righteous fake intellectuals hate PBS. But I do take satisfaction in seeing that there were replies from people I blocked in the past. I don't have to waste my time reading takes designed to hurt my feelings and spread awful ideas.

[-] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

Sorry to break it to you, but PBS Newshour is not immune to corporate and political bias, just because it is(was? Idk honestly) partially publicly funded. They have sponsors to please and viewers to pander to just like other stations. I do generally think they are better than most broadcast news but they are still biased towards a general pro-corporate sanitized viewpoint. If a CEO (or any important western figurehead) dies they aren't going to focus on harms they did, they will focus on telling how they were such a great loving family man regardless of if it is true.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like you don't know much about PBS but confidently wanna mansplain it to me

[-] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

If I'm wrong about something let me know instead of throwing out insults. No one knows everything.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You already showed an arrogance and argumentativeness directed at a news source which is far more trustworthy than 99% of those that exist. I'm not arguing with yet another "perfect is the absolute enemy of good" types. You already told me what you believe about PBS and I'm not exerting further mental energy to try and change that. Be wrong, I don't care.

[-] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

I get that people only have a limited energy to engage with people they don't know as our time is limited. Having said that I don't believe I am wrong, since you've not even attempted to engage with what I said, and have instead chosen insults. If you do decide to care in the future, I would be open to conversing.

Edit Response: I don't hate PBS and I don't want to hurt your feelings or spread bad ideas. I simply have the media literacy to understand that PBS is politically biased towards a corporate US ideology that is not above spreading propaganda to mislead viewers. As I said before, I do think it is better run than most broadcast stations, but I am still critical of it's choices, since it is bad practice to blindly trust even 'good' new sources without being aware of their bias.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Saying you mansplained is not an insult. So I stopped reading this message when you just made that false claim again. Later.

[-] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, your right that it technically isn't an insult, Thanks for pointing that out. Even so for some reason I doubt you are intending it to be interpreted in a positive way. If you'd like to engage with the substance of what I said instead of only criticizing my delivery (which I admit may be non-optimal), I will still be open to that. Later

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Advocating for genocide in Gaza isn't even a different opinion. It's the same opinion as democratic party leadership.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

This person is correct.

[-] Knightfox@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know

At the end of the day he is a human being, that's why. I'm not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that's what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don't care except when it's their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why.

Julius Streicher was also a human being. He was hanged at Nuremberg for the same kind of hate-mongering that Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of crimes against humanity.

[-] bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 23 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe it's time to start fighting fot our liberties, instead of feeling bad for the guys taking them away.

[-] moakley@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

There's a long list of people taking our liberties away, and the guy who says stupid shit is pretty far down on that list. Words matter, but they're not violence.

[-] bluefootedbooby@sopuli.xyz 17 points 3 weeks ago

Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.

[-] moakley@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, words matter.

But the ends don't justify the means. Morality isn't outcome-oriented. It's wrong to kill someone just for their words and ideas.

If the assassin had targeted the people enacting those ideas, that might be different. But assassinations tend to be a net negative. I can't think of an exception.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

No, someone who spread as much hate as he did, doesn't deserve sympathy.

I hope the bullet is ok.

[-] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Whatever. He was fucking gloating ever since the MAGAts took over, while others are being violently oppressed for "not qualifying" to be "American".

[-] DeathbringerThoctar@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

No he wasn't a human being, he was a fascist. The two are mutually exclusive. The world is a better place now that he's not in it and that's worth celebrating.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.

This is like saying "so much for tolerance" when progressives don't tolerate intolerance. It's a social contract: if you are intolerant of others you don't get the benefit of tolerance extended to you.

If you are unsympathetic towards others then you don't get the benefit of sympathy.

[-] fafferlicious@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

People don't sympathize with their trash when it ends up in landfill.

[-] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I dearly regret Charlies tragic passing.

When I initially heard the news I was hoping he was in for a half a century of quadriplegia with destroyed vocal cords.

[-] codapine@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's okay, you can also deeply regret his tragic birth, too.

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