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[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Which is why I linked two articles discussing the history of the term "jay" and how and why it was used to essentially mean "a stupid person"

Then I even took a quote out for you explaining that car companies paid people to do it trying to vilify it

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

how and why it was used to essentially mean "a stupid person"

You told me how it was used to mean "a stupid driver". Seems like an accurate term to describe drivers and walkers alike doing stupid things, like walking into traffic. 🤷

The existence of the word does not blame anyone.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago

It wasn't a word for crossing the street until Ford wanted to make it illegal to cross the street.

Maybe that's the historical context you're missing

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They didn't make illegal to cross the street. They made it illegal to cross the street in a particular time or place where the walker would endanger themselves.

I'm not missing any historical context. What I'm missing is how the term is inaccurate or used inappropriately.

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If you actually care, you can start with things like "walkable cities," look at city planning before Ford made it illegal, look into how NYC has made it no longer a crime, etc.

It doesn't actually seem like you do, though

Ford's work to reframe the action caused massive changes to urban planning, mostly for the worse.

Their work to change cultural views are apparently so strong, you can't see how changing the language around it was "inaccurate or inappropriate"

That's what Google is doing to the average user for "sideloading" - in a few generations, they will have stigmatized it enough that people will be saying it shouldn't be allowed

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago

Again, you keep insisting that I just don't understand anything about walkable cities or talking about Ford's ad campaigns. I do. That is not what we're discussing.

What we're discussing is how the word is inaccurate or inappropriate or "blames" anyone other than those who are doing exactly what the word is intended to describe. And it doesn't seem like you have any interest in putting forth a legitimate argument so I guess we're done here.

The same goes for "sideloading".

[-] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

If you truly understand the historical context of how calling it "jaywalking" rather than what it was at the time has been used to change the cultural narrative, and you understand how Google (and Apple) are trying to say "sideloading" is dangerous and shouldn't be allowed on their devices, but can't get to how that shift in narrative is being used... I agree, there's no point in continuing

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