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This was from a comment waaaaay down-thread earlier this week, on a post about California Secession (a wedge issue backed by Russia). Thought you’d find it interesting.


Originally Posted By u/Dry_Counter533 At 2025-08-28 07:47:32 PM | Source


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[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 69 points 1 month ago

It’s been all too obvious since I joined Lemmy that Russia’s APT groups are pushing narratives on us. They did a great job dividing the left into “anyone but Trump” and “genocide Joe”. You’ll often see them talk about “leftists” juxtaposed against “liberals”, bit we all know that “the left” and “liberal” are synonyms here. Then they’ll drag you into historical arguments about neoliberalism and blah blah blah to try gaslighting and dragging you down to their level.

They are now trying to get democrats to strike first in a kinetic civil war. It’s my firm belief that Donald Trump is a Russian asset, and sending troops into US cities is a provocation of civil war. The psyops are aligned with his mission.

Up is down, blue is red, liberals are the enemy of the left, no true Scotsman would vote for Kamala, communism will solve all our problems.

They’re doing a good job. Honestly, it’s becoming hard to tell which accounts are the Russians and which are people who have had their ideology fucked by the psyops.

[-] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 18 points 1 month ago

You’ll often see them talk about “leftists” juxtaposed against “liberals”, bit we all know that “the left” and “liberal” are synonyms here.

Omfg kill me now. I’m a commie from a socialist family. If today, in the year of our lord 2025, you call me liberal irl I would physically attack you. I rather be a bot.

There are just different people with different perspectives, is it really that hard to accept?

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 25 points 1 month ago

Case in point. Brand new account.

[-] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 9 points 1 month ago

So all the new accounts are bots? Did you know a big instance called lemm.ee closed recently right? How can we fucking start any new serious conversation like this?

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 21 points 1 month ago

Dude, fuck off back to hexbear. I’m never going to buy your bullshit, lol.

[-] Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 month ago

😮‍💨 ok. Don’t be surprised if people dislike liberals tho, I’m not trying to convince no one of nothing. This is forum, there are people who like to talk and discuss ideas. Have a nice day dude.

[-] Sightline@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] Honytawk@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

No, we're just out here hating tankies like yourself. Go back to hexbear where every sane person has blocked you.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

You’ll often see them talk about “leftists” juxtaposed against “liberals”, bit we all know that “the left” and “liberal” are synonyms here. Then they’ll drag you into historical arguments about neoliberalism and blah blah blah to try gaslighting and dragging you down to their level.

It’s sad that the language has been once again co-opted. I’m not a new account and I’ve stayed very consistent here. I’m not a liberal, but I will absolutely work with liberals right now. Many of the people I love are liberals and they’re in the best position to realize that capitalism is irredeemable. I don’t hate them, but it’s not a synonym.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lot to unpack here:

  1. This is a mirror of a reddit post, about the traffic to a specific post on reddit. This is not proof of some grand Russian plot to tear apart the couple thousand impotent liberals and leftists here.

  2. Liberals believe that capitalism is the best way to organize society and leftists ( Socialists, anarchists, communists) do not. In most other countries liberals are the centrist party with a socialist party to the left of them. You're confusing modern american political identities with broader historical labels that you don't seem to understand because that's boring history. It's important to make the distinction because liberals will often ally with fascists against the left in order to maintain bourgeoisie property relations, study twentieth century history to see examples, or just look at how Cuomo is cozying up to trump and the billions of liberal pac money going to him.

  3. The rest of your post seems to be conspiratorial nonsense with no backing besides a reddit post about the traffic to another reddit post. This is like leftists blaming any disagreement or anything that goes wrong on the CIA. This kind of thinking is corrosive and just leads to paranoia, schisms and a lack of self reflection or critique.

Why did we lose the election? No it can't be our flawed politics it must be Russian psyops. Why is that person disagreeing with me? No it can't be that they have a different view thay I should consider, it must mean they're a russian bot.

[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

It’s been all too obvious since I joined Lemmy that Russia’s APT groups are pushing narratives on us.

The stats are for a subreddit genius.

Trump may be s Russian asset but the US extreme right and it's wish for a violent civil war is a homegrown phenomenon. As is American political illiteracy.

[-] Honytawk@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago

It may be homegrown, but it has been fertilized by Russian propaganda bullshit.

[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

You can't solve your problems if you even refuse to admit them. Russia could go away tomorrow and the US's course towards fascism would not change.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 11 points 1 month ago

Given that there are enough tankies willing to work for free because getting to make arguments functionally indistinguishable from fascism while asserting that they’re to the left of all the socdems/shitlibs/ancoms/everyone else jibes well with the damage they have, the GRU can save their budget.

[-] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Well said. It’s good to see a voice of reason and nuance here.

[-] jve@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Wild that the “voice of reason” here leads off the post with something that feels like something that would have only been considered a wild conspiracy theory, even just a few short years ago.

I have a hard time not believing it myself though.

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 month ago

No need for theories. Russia’s influence campaigns are widely documented.

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