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[-] Damage@feddit.it 44 points 3 days ago

The original statement is weird to me. Lots of people renounce agency, for example to exempt themselves from responsibility.

I have a capable boss, I gladly leave the responsibility of many decisions to him because I trust he's better than me when it comes to that.

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 10 points 3 days ago

One problem with hierarchies is the potential for abuse, now your boss is competent, but tomorrow your next boss may not be and then there is a problem. At the very least even a competent person makes mistakes.

And that is all assuming your boss became your boss due to merits and not something like "my father owns the business"(been there, was asked to write mobile app in Haskell).

[-] Damage@feddit.it 12 points 3 days ago

Yeah sure but saying that there can be no voluntary hierarchies still seems excessive

[-] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

I think it’s fair to say that it’s only voluntary if it’s put in place by some consensus (and can be taken away by consensus). Say you work at a coop and all of the leadership is elected and can be easily recalled, then it’s voluntary. Even if you like your boss and don’t want their responsibilities, you ultimately don’t get a choice in the matter.

[-] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

I mean, its voluntary as i submit to it and even value it. There is too much work for one person to handle, so having a boss who sets priorities, and them having a boss who works at negotiating contracts and dealings to align his business segment to grow and fit inside his bosses view for the whole company so thousands of us can remain employed. Yea i dont want those roles and responsibilities (nor do I have that skillset) and i volunteer to be in this heirarchy

[-] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

I mean, you could use one of those FRP frameworks that compile to web pages, then use a webview, but eh

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago

If I remember correctly there was some kind of a framework or a library, but fuck that... I left the company a few months later.

[-] aow@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

In this case, the hierarchy you've submitted to is the employer's, rather than the boss. You can have successful hierarchies that promote good management, too. Not very common, though.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Some people seems to don't give a damn about that and happily plod away under good, bad, horrible bosses. Not changing work, not regretting, no nothing. So that it doesn't exist, excluding femdom, is just not true.

[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago

I just want to point out that trusting in someone's competency and leaving certain work for them as you think they are better suited for the work... that is just no Hierarchy.

Let's say, we have a man and a woman. They have babies and the babies seem to be able to fall asleep better to the song of the man's deeper voice. The woman decides that she will let her husband put the children to sleep if possible. Did the woman submit to the hierarchy and her husband, or is she just efficient?

[-] grindemup@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Having a boss is a good indicator that it's a hierarchy though, friend ;-)

[-] Damage@feddit.it 4 points 3 days ago

My boss (as in team leader, not employer) has earned the position by demonstrating better insight, and has the power to force me into tasks I disagree with. So yes it's a hierarchy, an ideal one in this case as the positions are assigned on merit, but even if it wasn't I'd still have the choice to submit to it, to avoid responsibilities or unpleasant tasks.

[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago

You are misunderstanding my point.

My point is that letting someone handle certain things and even listening to their advice is not hierarchical.

So the person written the comment doesn't need a hierarchy to let their coworker handle organisational tasks nor do they need it to listening to their coworker's advice.

So just because they like it that way, doesn't mean they like the hierarchy nor that they want it, but rather that they like some tasks more than others and acknowledge expertise.

I am not saying that there is no Hierarchy. I just don't think they want it, just because they like other elements in their cooperation.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Ssssh! Or you'll anger the anarchists!

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