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Remember not to broadcast your login credentials on national television (media.piefed.social)

submitted 5 days ago by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev

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[-] obsidianfoxxy7870 57 points 4 days ago

or just don't use the same login information for everyone for a platform that way it doesn't need to be publicly posted.

[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 45 points 4 days ago

They probably wanted to save on licensing costs.

[-] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 points 4 days ago

It's the 21c, passwords shouldn't exist.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago

The real problem is there's not really a better solution that works well for private accounts owned by individuals who only have a single device.

They say that authentication is using either something you know, something you have or something you are, but in the real world it ends up being something you've forgotten, something you've lost and something that you were at one time but are no longer

[-] tyler@programming.dev 3 points 3 days ago

We have passkeys now. They’re very effective

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 3 days ago

Passkeys rely heavily on at least one device remaining authenticated. You have to remember, the average user of a given web service does not have an ISP, they literally only have their phone and maaaaybe a decade old laptop that they haven't turned on or charged since ordering plane tickets pre-pandemic. It is critical that any solution replacing passwords has to work for this average user who literally only has their current phone and trades in their phone every 1-4 years for another one, therefore they do not have a second authenticated device to verify when they get a new phone or their phone breaks and they buy a new one at the carrier store.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but from my understanding of how passkeys are implemented, they will either lead to account lockout or rely on less secure authentication methods if the only authenticated device becomes inaccessible/inoperable

[-] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

If you use a password manager it’s literally no different than passwords. I can use my passkeys on any device through 1Password.

[-] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

Okay so if the sites actually give you the passkey to manage that's not as bad as what I remember reading about when passkeys were first announced

[-] tyler@programming.dev 2 points 16 hours ago

Passkeys are an implementation of a public-key cryptography. The service has the public key, you have the private key. The sites don’t give you anything, you give them the public-key which is generated using your private key. https://www.passkeys.com/ explains a lot of it.

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 3 points 4 days ago

What's the alternative? It would have to be something that wouldn't work if the user was unconscious and that offered plausible deniability if they were awake and being coerced.

What, other than a password, offers that?

Relatedly, I don't even know most of my passwords these days. I use a password manager (one that doesn't require internet access) that generated random strings. I only ever see them if I accidentally paste them into the wrong field.