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I had to pause here for a moment because my wife's 2016 Subaru Outback is the fastest of our cars and has some serious pick-up-and-go. I couldn't understand why they were complaining about it being slow.
Then I remembered my wife specifically requested the V6 engine variant of the Outbacks. Only 1% of them are made with a V6 engine and there's a waiting list a year or two long for one, depending on where you live. It's worth it; it feels like driving an EV with how quickly it picks up speed, and with the amount of weight it can tow. And since it's so rare, they deck them out with all the options. You don't get a choice; they come with everything pre-installed.
We got lucky; we bought ours from a Subaru dealership where all the employees were salaried, so they didn't give a shit whether we bought a car or not. They weren't pushy or trying to haggle a price. The sticker price was the cost, end of story. You either pay it or leave.
We were both active duty military at the time we bought it, and they had a deal where AD military paid 10% below the MSRP price, so we only paid around $34K for it. It was almost $38K MSRP in 2016. So we got a deal and it's been a mostly reliable car this past decade.
My extended family all buys Subarus; they really love them. I'm the black sheep; my personal car is actually a Mazda. 😜
Doubt.
Just checked it and if I got the right model, 0-100 is between 7.2 and 8 seconds, depending on the model year. Mid range EV SUVs such as the Enyaq are between 5.5 and 8.7 seconds, so way below the outback if you don't pick the low end version. Performance-centric EVs are below 4 seconds. And they all have a more or less constant torque which just isn't possible for ICEs.
If you like your car that's fine. But combustion engines aren't even close to how EVs drive.
That's firmly in Ford Escape territory🤣
The h6 is only fast if you just got out of the h4
"Fast" is always relative.
So slower by 0.7 sec? Unless only you are allowed to cherry pick from the data.
Okay then pick a performance ICE SUV to compare to and not a Subaru Outback.
This isnt the 1950s. Most vehicles have very flat torque curves when they're in the power and high gear counts in their auto transmissions to provide this, as well.
If you like EVs that's fine but the driving dynamics of EVs and ICEs is basically the same when actually in use.
The Subaru is specifically the rare higher performance engine, so comparing them to the higher performance versions of comparable EVs would be the only fair thing to do.
Absolutely not, but hey, whatever you want to believe that makes you happy.
Larger engine, yes. High performance? Absolutely not. It’s only 71hp per liter(257hp from a 6cyl 3.6L). It was tuned to run off regular gas. Honda had a car that made 120hp per liter(NA model, 240hp from a 4cyl 2L) and they stopped making it over 15 years ago. The Honda was naturally aspirated same as the Subaru. Hell, the current gen Miata makes 90hp per liter(and ~1300 pounds lighter). The subaru is…slow. Even staying in the world of ICE.
Let’s hop back to that Enyaq…5.5s? Yeah for the 340hp top of the line model that costs nearly twice what a 3.6L Outback does. So much for ‘comparable’. The Enyaq 80x is the most comparable at 261hp to the subie’s 257hp and it’s up at 6.9s. Both are AWD. Still faster than an Outback but by like a second? Not a huge deal in your everyday commuting.
The 2019 Outback(last year with 3.6) started at $35/39K with a 3.6L(limited / touring trims). Adjusting for inflation to 2021 and that pulls it up to $37/41K. The Enyaq 80X started at £46,610 in 2021. Just converting to USD using Google that’s $64.5K. It’s a pretty hefty amount more.
My 2.5 H4 Subaru was a bit sluggish, but the real issue is fuel consumption. Diesel is cheaper to power than petrol OR Electric atm. Price of electricity has been going up in recent years. Plus turbodiesels get ridiculous torque, just not instantly like EVs.