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Idaho stop (Should bikes stop at stop signs?)
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I just feel bad for the driver who has to live with hitting a cyclist that effectively ran a stop sign.
Bikes either follow the same laws or they don't. This kind of mushy stuff just adds ambiguity.
Your argument about not being able to start is merely justification. Perhaps if the laws are followed, this isn't a concern (i.e. Everyone stops at a sign, and only proceeds when it's clear). Or, perhaps, don't setup a riding condition that makes following the laws of the road difficult to comply with. What's next, eliminating brakes because they weigh too much?
I say this as someone who's ridden much more than the average Joe (but not as much as regular commuters) , and I refuse to ride in congested areas. The safety factor is to high. I won't even ride my motorcycle in those places.
I feel like I get the sentiment you are expressing but I just don't think it is very logical. You are suggesting that having different laws for different modes of transportation is inherently bad because of the ambiguity it adds. But if we applied this to another situation -- a pedestrian in a crosswalk at a 4 way stop it begins to unravel. Should pedestrians also queue up at a stop sign and go during their turn instead of halting all traffic and allowing them to pass?
You say that the start/stop explanation is merely justification, but that's the whole point, providing justification for why a law should exist.
Your comment about this wouldn't be a problem if people just followed the law also applies to your original concern of a driver who hits a bicyclist who "effectively ran a stop sign". If this driver just follows the law then they wouldn't have done that.
The data is pretty indisputable that traffic incidents are reduced when this thing happens, so I'll take less drivers hitting bicyclists over more even if the ones that do feel it is unfair.
If the vehicle creates a risk so high that they can't follow the law, that vehicle is not suitable for use and should not be allowed at all.
Yeah fuck cars seriously why are they so dangerous