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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 5 days ago

Yeah obama is really not a great example of international diplomacy.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Remember when we were on track to normalize relations with Iran and Cuba?

And I really gotta disagree with the first guy that Putin invading Crimea was in any way Obama's responsibility

normalize relations with Iran

Back when Israel wasnt killing 100+ people a day in Gaza? Fucking easy job that was back then yeah. Dont get me wrong, Trump and Biden were probably worse than Obama, but that doesnt make Obama a good diplomat. If you always hold your politicians to the standard of the likes of Trump, then the world is fucking doomed.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 22 points 5 days ago

Fucking easy job that was back then yeah.

Were you a child during the Obama Administration? I ask because you clearly don't remember. You can repeat over and over "Obama wasn't a good diplomat," but that doesn't make it true.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I remember the civilian death count that he left behind. You can simp for him all you want, but that doesnt make him any less of a war criminal.

I mean, you can't blame Obama for that. If anything, it was mostly Europe and Angela Merkel's fault for wanting that sweet Russian energy.

Did you expect Obama to go against the whole world and attack Russia or something unilaterally? Would the US Congress even approve anything like that?

Europe is barely doing shit now to help Ukraine, and Ukraine is literally at war for its survival.

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