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Actually! Wheel11 is really outdated, which is why im building wheeland, which is more secure and <...>
Not sure how this applies when:
It seems like it went from "Situation: there is one standard" to "Situation: there are two standards developed by largely the same people with one set to replace the other", and then soon: "Situation: there is one standard and one translation layer kept around for a decade or so for compatibility."
Not every single time someone tries to make things better is this xkcd relevant; this had nothing to do with unifying standards and everything to do with superseding one.
> Pretty much everything uses wayland now
> nVidia drivers don't work on Wayland
> ANGER
And that's why I'm getting AMD when I'll be ~~modernizing~~ replacing my setup
Obligatory "it works for me". I only had one issue with one game on Wayland. Some nvidia driver update fixed that a few months ago.
Huh neat. I kinda just assumed "wheel11" had 10 other versions and didnt realize it was an analogy for something irl
You are actually correct that Wheel11 had 10 other versions. It just happens that those 10 other versions were released before September 1987.
"And duck the users for wanting to know in their own Linux systems which windows are opened, whether the mouse is there, send input signals to them, etc. No, Wheeland is not going to have any of those, we'll force the gazillion DEs to recreate that part of the wheel."
If "the wheel" is achieved by making literally every application you run a keylogger, I'm very cool with Wayland "reinventing the wheel". X11's handling of user input is a fucking embarrassment.
Besides just the Steam Deck and Proton, a big reason people are finally sticking around on Linux is because using X11 feels exactly like what it is: a cobbled-together piece of archaic shit that needs to be left behind.
Wayland by contrast feels fantastic to run, and on my GTX 1070 with proprietary drivers, the only current issue I have with it is how Firefox picture-in-picture popouts don't stay on top by default.
Yeah well, I thought Linux was all about controlling one's own OS? Or are we now Apple and Microsoft?
Besides, the "keylogger" is pretty much essential for mouse gestures. But now we don't care about accessibility, I guess.
Has anyone so far stopped you from using your outmoded tangle of garbage? Or do you just not like that major desktop environments are switching to more sensible defaults?
If you're worried about GNOME 50 dropping X11 in the future... okay? Nobody's obliged to maintain your shit. Linux is all about choice, and it's their choice not to spend untold thousands of hours working to keep X11 usable, just like it's your choice to change your Linux to something that does still use it โ or to fork and keep it working yourself. Switch to any one of the other desktop environments; see if the Wayland Illuminati or whatever gives a shit.
Did you create Wayland all by yourself that you're so defensive of it? ๐
I'm not about to make X11 my personality, I just want to be able to use mouse gestures. I'm such a horrible person for wanting this! ๐
Hey we are penguins not ducks
'tis the wheeland experience :3. At least we can have monitors with different refresh rates tho
As is we do kinda have 2 standards, both equally bad, and you just have to pick your poison
I'm kind of confused about the refresh rate thing, because I have a triple monitor setup with different refresh rates and they work fine in X11.