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[-] thedruid@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Everyone stops talking when they get punched in the mouth.

Just a weird observation that sprang to mind

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I know people like to get angry and kick things, but i guess it's not very effective. I.e., would that really improve the world long-term?

If not, then why do it? Shouldn't we focus on actual measures such as demanding tax reforms from our cities and local governments? Shouldn't we invest our power into researching workable economic plans for our community? Why waste it with anger, that is like a wind that soonishly turns into thin air.

[-] wheezy@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Those are the types of measures that have been attempted for generations. It's how we got here. There is no hope changing a system from within that is designed to serve the interest of the wealthy. That system will only ever offer temporary measures when it feels it is within its own interests to maintain itself. Social security and Medicare were not some idea FDR came up with to help the working class. They were fought for a pressured for by socialist, communist, and trade unionists literally taking up arms and threatening capitalist production. These social programs were an offering to prevent the actions that threaten to tear it down. They were an offering to the working class to prevent full revolutionary change.

But, here we are again. Hoping for another FDR without any of the material threats to capital. An entire generation of workers uneducated in the history of working class struggle focused only on working within the system and criticizing those that rightfully point to the need for organized (and often militant) labor.

Nothing will ever be offered by the ruling class without a threat to its structures. Nothing will improve without organized labor having the means to defend themselves from the state violence that will be used when change is being demanded to the system.

There is no tax reform that fixes these inherently contradictionary interest between the ruling and working class. Because there is no reason for that tax reform to be offered in the first place.

The electoral systems in this country is a means in which the ruling class defends its own collective interest. It is impressively good at doing so too. Even at times realizing that offerings to the working class are needed to maintain it. But that is only ever if it feels threatened. None of them feel threatened today.

So whether you're a Marxist revolutionary, a socdem, or just a progressive dude that wants everyone to have healthcare. You need to learn what history tells us. History tells us that even simple reform of the system does not come about without that system feeling fundamentally threatened.

It is why even capitalism "reformist" like yourself should be in support of any form of working class struggle. The sweaty anarchist kids trashing ICE vehicles aren't hurting progress. The protestors blocking roads and impeding capitalist production are not hurting progress. They are your leverage and should be encouraged and supported fully if you want even a crumb of reform to be offered.

Edit: I'm not comparing the mostly unarmed and unorganized movements of today to the past. But sadly, the sweaty anarchist kid today is where working class militancy starts and ends. It is mostly non existent and entirely unorganized. It's why the ruling class feels no need to offer even the slightest reform.

[-] thedruid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Demand away. When words fail. Then act

[-] KnitWit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It’s ok cause Maynard has The Remedy. (Sorry for Youtube)

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