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[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 37 points 6 days ago

Car culture evangelist in fuckcars community missing the point as always.

The point is that EVs are not a good solution to the problem with cars - they are just a better car. This individualizes what is a collective problem.

My city is adding six new lanes for cars in the coming years, meanwhile there are already intersections that a person has to jog to get across in time. Cars have their use, but it's far far far less than people realise.

Valorizing EVs leads to perpetuating car centric designs, which is a negative across many dimensions - not only ecologically.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

All that being said, better car is still better than a worse car. I live near a big road, and it kinda sucks. Back then when all cars were emitting poison from a tailpipe instead of only some doing it, it didn't just suck, it was a fucking nightmarish hell, dirty, loud, smelly, poisonous dark hell, and some people from my family died prematurely because of that.
I don't think the community in my city can persuade carbrains to quit caring any time soon. They can convince them to start with being slightly less damaging, for starters.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

it's also important to remember that electric cars are heavier (you know, batteries) which increases road wear, tyre wear, and makes them more dangerous in collisions (and means they need yet more battery to push the extra weight, very fun).

Electric cars are really only strictly better if they're also made smaller and lighter, electric cars are great but we should be treating 2-seaters with like 200km range as the norm.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The biggest difference is about 20%, if we compare smallest EV with smallest ICE car. The bigger the cars, the less the difference. And even for the maximum, 20% is so negligible compared to benefits, it's not even a question.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 days ago

Yes, a better car is a better car. That's perfectly reasonable harm reduction logic.

I just would rather people not forget that that's all it is, and know that there are much better communal solutions. Even if they seem utopian, they're actually very sensible and pragmatic.

Materially speaking, we could start building a better world tomorrow morning. We don't have to wait for tech to save us.

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

That's very true

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