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A tweet saying "bruh the economy isn't even real, we literally fucking made it up, just let people have food wtf"
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Economy is very much real, and it's funny to see Anarchists say shit like this, can't beat the stereotype. Production and its distribution is global, you have to know what and how much to produce either via the use of markets (capitalist) or planned economies (socialist/communist) or via other modes of production and distribution.
You could previously make most things locally so these concepts didn't exist, but that's only because people were mostly living the life of a peasant, but now you have tech, advancements in medicine, and not every state has these kinds of resources.
However, the mainstream economics and its models are bullshit, the more complex people make them the more de-attached from reality they are
I believe that economy can be both a social construct, and very much real
Yes, it is something created by humans that only makes sense in a social setting and doesn't have any ties to the natural world
Yes, it also is necessary and there can be "certain rules" with universal effect, but we are still able to shape the definitions and our views according to human necessity
As a minor gripe: planned capitalist economies are a thing (there is no contradiction in it whatsoever)
Yeah, there's mixed economies too and other models, forgot to put an etc in there.
Also, I'd like to point out that your reply to the allegations in the meme are very justified given the "is not even real" sentiment, using the "social construct" card to toss everying in the bin is a very much dumb take and it prevents any meaningful discussions
(But I get that the intention was to put it in a less "rigid" structure by pointing out we can change it)
So you're saying that the economy is not a social construct?
Yeah, apart from the voodoo magic such as finance and whatever economic models economists talk about, which when failed they use more voodoo shit to justify why.
Economy in terms of distribution and production, that's real and will exist from mercantilism to communism and maybe beyond given our globalized economy.
I mean, yeah I hear what you're saying when the broad definition is used. It does cover production, distribution and consumption of goods. But the tweet is talking about "the economy" which could arguably be referencing the current, capitalist economy which we did indeed "just make up".
Nope. Plenty of other models! Not all coordination needs hierarchy, and the illusion that hierarchy just magically erases the massive labor costs of communication and coordination is fucking delusional.
Just because you can't see it, or replace your delicate maintenance with thugs who hit things until they stop doing the thing you dont want, because you throw people away when they dont fit your cental and limited by necessity of being so fucking central vision is delusional arrogant and pathologically individualist great-man fetishizing bullshit.
Cutting the community out of communism because you dont trust their assessments is insane. Cutting the hard work of (re)conciliation and coordination and replacing it with 10x the work hours of means testing and violence and the mess that comes with making things function at a low level when the necessarily limited perspective of a central authority imposes impossible or harmful bullshit on you because the bandwidth and trust to observe and administer competently just does not exist is insane.
While the tweet cited is admittedly an unsophisticated and crude understanding/expression, i would say its far closer to correct than your statement. Maybe don't make onboarding new people to the left any harder than it has to be?
I literally didn't say anything you're arguing against, so I'm kind of confused.
I'm unsure you know anything about economies either given how you only scream about hierarchies - sure, some economic systems support hierarchical structures such as capitalist market economy supporting itself and the class society that comes with it.
However, regardless of whether hierarchy exists or not, there will have to be an economic system in place, so we know what to produce and how much of it, else you either overproduce and create a fuck ton of waste or underproduce and have people starve.
Under both communism and anarchism, things would be produced to satisfy needs, rather than for profit that is seen within market economies. There would be no commodity exchange, things being distributed to whoever needs it and during production, you'd have a set amount of goods you need to produce to satisfy those needs AKA planned economies which is something you think is worse than hitler given your response. Of course, there's also niche anarchist sects that are mutualist/ancom or voluntarist (which are the laughing stock within Anarchists themselves who actually read), but that's another can of worms and really besides the point.
Whether you have a centralized unit managing the production and distribution of everything or if you have each commune manage their local production and communicating with other communes to get what they can't produce, it's still a planned economy - it can be both decentralized and centralized, organized in different ways.
I'm not here to onboard people, but rather educate on topics I know something about.
This is clearly a case of us having entirely different meanings of words like 'planned'. At minimum.