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I'm all for VPN services, but I seem to recall some sketchy things about Proton in particular - anyone have any alternatives they like?
Mullvad
mullvad is good for most casual users but if you want to do anything technical i’d steer clear.
you can’t forward the ports anymore in mullvad. don’t get me wrong, they did it as a measure to reduce the volume of CSAM and other trauma-inducing imagery their administrators had to deal with and i totally respect that reasoning. people get legitimate PTSD moderating and administrating certain platforms/services.
just a shame torrenting gets made harder for everyone because of a handful of despicable individuals.
The reason they disabled this was it was a possible privacy leak. This means if you are using a VPN that enables port forwarding, you might be at risk.
well yeah forwarding your VPN’s ports is a possible leak… that’s the point of opening the ports?
i think it’s only a privacy risk if you don’t understand the network stack and don’t understand what using port forwarding on a VPN entails so that you can take proper precautions.
regardless, it’s fair that most users would be at risk just wantonly fucking with settings they don’t understand. probably not a valid justification to limit services but i can see the business rationale.
anyway not disagreeing with you or anything i had just read the mullvad team disabled port forwarding because they were experiencing distress/PTSD dealing with the administrative and legal issues that arose due to the way some of their user base chose to use the service, and they decided removing port forwarding would be a reasonable way to target and cut down this type of traffic without affecting most users. privacy leaks might have been mentioned somewhere but ig i just hadn’t seen it. not exactly a mullvad expert, myself lol.
i dont use VPN services like mullvad anymore, though. don’t really trust the big VPN companies and prefer running my own hardware and nodes.
As a new user of proton... Id like to hear what you think is sketchy. I haven't heard anything negative.
Their CTO made Twitter posts praising Trump for some of his appointments
Thanks for replying. What do you use instead?
I'm going to switch to Mullvad. Just need to sit down and do it. Maybe this weekend.
And sorry, it was the CEO, not CTO. Here's a source
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
Thanks bud.
FYI it's not like he's pro-MAGA or anything. He's a known liberal supporter in fact. All he did was tweet that Gail Slater was a good nomination. Personally, I think it's a good thing to praise one's political enemies on the rare occasion they do something good. Here's an article with a deeper look.
@lagoon8622@lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works
Well, thanks for the context. I still hate the tweet. The tweet itself didn't promote a specific nom – it promoted Republicans
To steelman him for a sec -- just as it's good to call out your own team when they do something wrong, it's also a virtue in many people's minds to acknowledge when the other side does something good. You can say the rules are different if the other side are fascists and we just have to punch them, but (a) I don't think that it was clear to everybody in the first weeks of Trump's presidency exactly how fascist things were going to be (this was when he'd gotten ceasefires don't forget) and (b) I still wouldn't consider it a cancellable offence either way, even if it's misguided liberal behaviour.
Anyway, such behaviour tracks with being a liberal, and I'm not at the point yet where I'm wanting to cancel people for being liberals.
Biden was the one who secured the ceasefire in Gaza
Okay, thanks for the context. I caught the initial blowup when I was looking at VPN options originally, but never heard any of the follow-up.
Here's what I was remembering; the Proton CEO had praise for some of the new Trump admin's anti-trust statements last January, and seemed to support them more generally.
What ended up happening with that? It looked like he tried to walk it back, and maybe didn't intend for that to use the official Proton account?