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Looking forward to seeing EU alternatives for Starlink
Honestly, someone hurry up and launch an alternative! Chinese are setting up one but I wouldn't trust them either.
For starters, the Great Chinese Firewall blocks access even to lemmy
It depends, maybe they like the contents of some instances like this one
Although on some blocks I can't disagree:
The big instances are blocked (like yours, i.e. lemmy.world) while the small ones that the CCP didn’t catch up with yet (like mine) are working fine. It’s a censorship went wrong moment
The .world domain appears to be unblocked, at least on some of the test sites.
https://www.chinafirewalltest.com/?siteurl=lemmy.world
https://www.cloudwards.net/tools/chinese-firewall-test/
Oh yeah, my bad. It was .ml that’s blocked. Kinda ironic given that it’s one of he most pro-CCP instances out there
What do you mean? Chinese people cant host a lemmy server? Or just the main servers worldwide arent available there?
Anyone can host, but if you can't federate it's of very limited value.
Oooh interesting, network bisection problems.
I think they should be taken down or taken over by another entity. They were launched under the premise they were a utility and it turns out they're being used military.
I dont mean the internet access itself but the giving and striping of access to suit a military agenda goes beyond the pervue of an organization claiming to be an ISP or commercial utility.
The French government just invested a load of money in Eutelsat to kickstart this about a month or so ago
Quick, someone not france!
Can't even watch porn with Chinese internet, westerners won't survive a day on using that internet without a VPN.
Actually porn is what makes many Chinese start using the VPNs too
yup, they moved to PROXIES, and anti-detect browsers much like reddits getting more sophisticated detection, china is always trying to find a way to detect these methods. from what ive heard on the same forum that ban evades reddit.
Alternatives would be great! My only concern is the number of satellites that have to be continually launched while older satellites are burned up after just five years. That's thousands of satellites per service provider having to be continually replaced. Seems wasteful, but maybe I'm thinking the resource usage is greater than it really is in the grand scheme of things.
That five year figure is the time it takes to deorbit if the satellite goes dead, not the lifespan, from my understanding.
I'm not entirely sure of the exact legalities but I have some experience working cube-sats and have some insights on this. Since Low Earth Orbit is getting kinda crowded you now have to ensure that your satellite deorbits within 5 years of deployment. So that 5 year figure does limit the satellites lifespan. Quite significantly sometimes because you have to ensure that even if the satellite is dead on arrival it deorbits within those five years.
I bet all of these restrictions can be alleviated to some extent if you're a super rich dickhead but that's how it is for us.
I know that the Starlink birds deploy at a relatively low altitude, then climb to service height under their own power, so they deorbit quite fast if they're DOA.
My impression was the five year figure is without the satellite boosting it's orbit, but I could be wrong.
Do yours have their own engine?
Well if Europe doesn’t do this, US or China will regardless and they won’t care about leaving junk in the space. So it’s a matter of who will profit off that. And also, the EU is doing a lot for the environment already. Maybe it’s time for other countries like India to stop throwing trash directly into rivers now? We live on the same planet. Even if EU achieves the zero-emission state, it only accounts for 5% of the population in the world, so it won’t change that much on a global scale if other countries continue refusing to cooperate
Starlink Eutelstat IRIS working hard on it rn