Yes and the op is from the Uk I think. But I don't believe the situation would be that much different with their police and political climate. Maybe if I were chinese where the women and children generally feel safe walking at night alone, or Swedish, or Norwegian, or Canadian or Rwandan, then my perspective on the intractibility of this issue under a completely diffent kind of government might be different. Is there a place on earth where this isn't a problem for women? Has there ever been? Even in "safe" countries women still feel this anxiety. I don't think anyone will ever solve this problem legalistically. You may emilorate it, but the problem is rooted in a flaw in human nature that we won't easily be rid of.
Are you even reading your comments?? Yes, of FUCKING COURSE there is no perfect solution, and of FUCKING COURSE ameliorating the problem to some extent is worthwhile. What is your opinion here - that we shouldn't do anything because ahh big systems are scary and it's either revolution or nothing???
You being American is clear from your wilful ignorance and your lack of interest in holding your institutions accountable / improving them.
My opinion is that all legalistic solutions to any problem will favor those in power who write the law, fail to solve the issue they were installed to fix, and expand the criminalization of otherwise non offending human beings.
I think the solution to men harassing women in public after dark is to address what leads them to offend, and either remove their desire to do it or remove their ability to do it, I doubt any males would volunteer however. This could be as banal or as nasty as you want to be without requiring unreliable enforcement. If the government can't make women safe then they should make themselves safe, better forgiveness than permission.
And it is revolution or nothing when you are talking about changing entrenched power structures, reforms rarely last and never fully address the core structural roots of the issues. as for the method of revolt, in my country they will not give up real power once they have it without violence, the history of non violent revolution is checkered with successes and failures none of which will be completely applicable to any given secondary country.
Yes, clarity...
I would chance a guess that you have never tried accountabilty or improvement under a corrupt oligarcical authoritarian police state that propagandizes it's population from birth to grave. Shall we compare the size of our persecutions and sufferings so we know who deserves to have an opinion?
I don't feel I'm holding onto ignorance, if anything I've been researching 200% more than i do in any given normal day. I feel more that you came looking for an internet argument and are running out of ammo so you would rather use coarse language and baseless personal attacks than address the topic.
But yes I must be an American, i voiced an opinion on the internet instead of swallowing it and leaving it to the keyboard warriors.
Thank you for reminding me not to do that.
All I'm hearing is that you are more interested in ranting about how you are powerless to effect any change whilst ignoring the viable (albeit imperfect) solutions right in front of us. Thank you for refusing to make the world a better place out of some misplaced principle.
All you appear to be hearing is whatever the version of me in your head is saying, but thats fine, i can sort of follow what he might be saying. I myself am in fact powerless, and celebate, and a shut in, and cognitively disabled, I wouldn't even remember you exist if the application didn't notify me, or recall what i wrote in this thread with out constantly reffering back to it. I guess that's everyone's business since we are being so personal, funny how its only my person that is on display. And the crux of my position is that I do not believe it to be a viable solution in any real or meaningful way, much in the same way that i believe the current government and law enforcement with their inability to prevent crime and unwillingness to prosecute violence against women is not a viable solution. So, since hyperbole is the soup of the day I guess, I will take the extreme position, and state it's solution; I believe that all women should collectively agree not to tolerate violations of their bodily autonomy any longer. I believe they should collaborate on designing a kind of kit, to be built by women for their self defense. What is in that kit should be a very personal choice, but I imagine one that is easy to carry, instantaneous to access, and can deliver incapacitating, castrating, or killing force to an assailant with minimal effort. I believe these kits should be given to every girl on earth as soon as she has the motor skills to use it without cost to her, and she should be trained to use it effectively, and without hesitation. I also think women should agree to no longer allow an evolutionary reward for being an abuser or rapist. I believe in a generation, maybe two, of this kind of unified direct action, we as a species might produce males capable of alleviating women's anxiety about walking outside at night. And all without inviting a facist institution to give lip service to women's security while reinforcing the power structures at least partially responsible for the problem in the first place. And as for the backlash, the abusers can't eliminate all women, but all women could certainly eliminate the abusers. Is that still too opaque? If they won't give you peace then you take it. I'll return with the notification, we can talk about whatever you like, I won't remember any of the previous comments if you wait a day, maybe you could say to me what you wished you would have said to that one that hurt you. I'd be confused but I'd still answer. Or you could say somthing else personal that makes you a human instead of some archtype with little in the way of personally identifying characteristics other than anger and opposition. Or maybe you could value your time more than a useless male who's time is literally worthless
Yes and the op is from the Uk I think. But I don't believe the situation would be that much different with their police and political climate. Maybe if I were chinese where the women and children generally feel safe walking at night alone, or Swedish, or Norwegian, or Canadian or Rwandan, then my perspective on the intractibility of this issue under a completely diffent kind of government might be different. Is there a place on earth where this isn't a problem for women? Has there ever been? Even in "safe" countries women still feel this anxiety. I don't think anyone will ever solve this problem legalistically. You may emilorate it, but the problem is rooted in a flaw in human nature that we won't easily be rid of.
Are you even reading your comments?? Yes, of FUCKING COURSE there is no perfect solution, and of FUCKING COURSE ameliorating the problem to some extent is worthwhile. What is your opinion here - that we shouldn't do anything because ahh big systems are scary and it's either revolution or nothing???
You being American is clear from your wilful ignorance and your lack of interest in holding your institutions accountable / improving them.
My opinion is that all legalistic solutions to any problem will favor those in power who write the law, fail to solve the issue they were installed to fix, and expand the criminalization of otherwise non offending human beings. I think the solution to men harassing women in public after dark is to address what leads them to offend, and either remove their desire to do it or remove their ability to do it, I doubt any males would volunteer however. This could be as banal or as nasty as you want to be without requiring unreliable enforcement. If the government can't make women safe then they should make themselves safe, better forgiveness than permission. And it is revolution or nothing when you are talking about changing entrenched power structures, reforms rarely last and never fully address the core structural roots of the issues. as for the method of revolt, in my country they will not give up real power once they have it without violence, the history of non violent revolution is checkered with successes and failures none of which will be completely applicable to any given secondary country. Yes, clarity... I would chance a guess that you have never tried accountabilty or improvement under a corrupt oligarcical authoritarian police state that propagandizes it's population from birth to grave. Shall we compare the size of our persecutions and sufferings so we know who deserves to have an opinion? I don't feel I'm holding onto ignorance, if anything I've been researching 200% more than i do in any given normal day. I feel more that you came looking for an internet argument and are running out of ammo so you would rather use coarse language and baseless personal attacks than address the topic. But yes I must be an American, i voiced an opinion on the internet instead of swallowing it and leaving it to the keyboard warriors. Thank you for reminding me not to do that.
All I'm hearing is that you are more interested in ranting about how you are powerless to effect any change whilst ignoring the viable (albeit imperfect) solutions right in front of us. Thank you for refusing to make the world a better place out of some misplaced principle.
All you appear to be hearing is whatever the version of me in your head is saying, but thats fine, i can sort of follow what he might be saying. I myself am in fact powerless, and celebate, and a shut in, and cognitively disabled, I wouldn't even remember you exist if the application didn't notify me, or recall what i wrote in this thread with out constantly reffering back to it. I guess that's everyone's business since we are being so personal, funny how its only my person that is on display. And the crux of my position is that I do not believe it to be a viable solution in any real or meaningful way, much in the same way that i believe the current government and law enforcement with their inability to prevent crime and unwillingness to prosecute violence against women is not a viable solution. So, since hyperbole is the soup of the day I guess, I will take the extreme position, and state it's solution; I believe that all women should collectively agree not to tolerate violations of their bodily autonomy any longer. I believe they should collaborate on designing a kind of kit, to be built by women for their self defense. What is in that kit should be a very personal choice, but I imagine one that is easy to carry, instantaneous to access, and can deliver incapacitating, castrating, or killing force to an assailant with minimal effort. I believe these kits should be given to every girl on earth as soon as she has the motor skills to use it without cost to her, and she should be trained to use it effectively, and without hesitation. I also think women should agree to no longer allow an evolutionary reward for being an abuser or rapist. I believe in a generation, maybe two, of this kind of unified direct action, we as a species might produce males capable of alleviating women's anxiety about walking outside at night. And all without inviting a facist institution to give lip service to women's security while reinforcing the power structures at least partially responsible for the problem in the first place. And as for the backlash, the abusers can't eliminate all women, but all women could certainly eliminate the abusers. Is that still too opaque? If they won't give you peace then you take it. I'll return with the notification, we can talk about whatever you like, I won't remember any of the previous comments if you wait a day, maybe you could say to me what you wished you would have said to that one that hurt you. I'd be confused but I'd still answer. Or you could say somthing else personal that makes you a human instead of some archtype with little in the way of personally identifying characteristics other than anger and opposition. Or maybe you could value your time more than a useless male who's time is literally worthless