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Public transit in Toronto, Canada 🇨🇦 vs Chengdu, China 🇨🇳 (lemmy.world)
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[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is just a meme, it has very little informational value and it's misleading on several levels. (~~OP~~ somebody has been posting it a lot these past days; have a look there for more explanation).

The implication that things are better in China is... mostly wrong and pointlessly political. I'm restraining myself here.

If you want to criticize Toronto Public transport do it with facts, not this BS.

[-] huppakee@feddit.nl 12 points 6 days ago

If you see this as an image intented to criticise Toronto i can see your point. But it is also be considered an image showing development in China. Building a system like this is impressive. But i agree for that purpose you could leave Toronto out.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 6 days ago

Well that's my point: the comparison makes very little sense.

Population: Chengdu over 20 million vs. under 3 million in Toronto.

The maps above also seem to be differently scaled.

Also, the fact that it has technologically developed fast in the past decades, as compared to Canada that has developed steadily in the past century, is not really the gotcha OP seems to imply it is.

That said, it’s perfectly possible that public transport in Toronto leaves much to be desired - without pointlessly comparing it to Chengdu.

And that doesn't even take into account the one "advantage" of totalitarian regimes, which some people always forget: it's possible to act faster when there's no democratic process. Plus rampant corruption resp. cutting of corners (one commenter on the post I linked went into detail, with sources, on that). Again, not saying TTC is completely free of that.

[-] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

Public transit is in fact better in China. In fact public transit in China is considered some of the best in the world at this point. Pointing out a particular ways in which a communist country is better than most capitalist countries is informationally valuable, and vice versa. That’s called a nuanced understanding of the differences.

You asserting things can’t be better in China is pointlessly political. Some things are better in China, some things are worse.

Westerners are so propagandized they’ll literally argue with a map.

[-] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

And tankies are so propagandised they don't see flawed arguments if they're in favor of their overlords.

From the linked comment you obviously did not read:

Population: Chengdu over 20 million vs. under 3 million in Toronto.

The maps above also seem to be differently scaled.

Also, the fact that Chengdu's metro has developed fast in the past decades, as compared to Canada that has developed steadily in the past century, is not really the gotcha OP seems to imply it is.

That said, it’s perfectly possible that public transport in Toronto leaves much to be desired - without pointlessly comparing it to Chengdu.

As I said: this is a meme, not an actual argument.

[-] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Population: Chengdu over 20 million vs. under 3 million in Toronto.

The maps above also seem to be differently scaled.

Also, the fact that Chengdu's metro has developed fast in the past decades, as compared to Canada that has developed steadily in the past century, is not really the gotcha OP seems to imply it is.

That said, it’s perfectly possible that public transport in Toronto leaves much to be desired - without pointlessly comparing it to Chengdu.

All that is true, but the point I made stands. Public transit is better in China and that’s a fair thing to point out.

If you’re upset that China has better public transit, the proper response is to advocate for better public transit. Not to whine that you’re being compared to countries that have better public transit.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

As a Torontonian since 2005, I approve of this meme. We have so consistently and "democratically" shat the bed on transit over the last 20 years that today we live with depressing and job limiting commute times. This is very much a quality of life issue that affects most who live here. 25km commute often takes 1-1.5h in a single direction. Thousands if not millions of people here spend 2-3 hours of every work day commuting.

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