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tell me your outlook on human nature and i tell you who you are
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Yes but counterpoint, capitalism is a human invention so humans (at our current state) are still the root cause
And it's not like it was all utopian paradise before capitalism was invented.
We can also be the solution.
There are more options than just capitalism (and especially the weird kind of klepto-capitalism that we're falling into globally now).
I believe in humanity being the solution when I see it.
So far I don't.
Humans will almost certainly bring a solution. Might not be a good one for most people though.
Humans also invented slavery, torture devices, nuclear weapons, and totalitarian regimes but we don't argue these things are "natural" or inevitable.
Just because humans created capitalism doesn't mean it's an expression of some essential or universal human trait.
Such a western view: a capitalist society. We have the choice to participate in that or in a different system. Most just don’t want to give up the “I have” for “what can be”.
I would love to see a post-capitalistic society... but the (class-)war toward it is long and potentially bloody.
Not potentially. Inevitably. The ruling class will never give up authority willingly.
Exactly that
I think they did a study in the Amazon, and found that actually the Amazon is strongest when defended by indigenous populations. In fact basically all around the world, all nature is stronger when protected by humans.
I think you could make the case that before capitalism, this would also have been the case in the west. There are clear links between the growth of capitalism and witch burning.
In most of the world its participate in capitalism or go to jail, not like you can just go live in a tent in the woods without being dragged out. (Unless you live somewhere like the US which still has really big woods.)
Nah, other animals have performed transactions since before humans existed. The fact that we do it in marble halls and fancy suits doesn't make us the originators.
Capitalism no doubt sucks, but our other inventions suck even more unfortunately.
Capitalism is genetically baked in, to a certain degree. But so is egalitarianism, war, schadenfreude, empathy, looking at people but if they look back at you then you turn away because you’re really not trying to give them vibes but they’re still looking at you for an uncomfortably long time so you have to turn back to them to understand why they’re doing this but your perception was wrong and they had long since looked away.
Right but then it's a matter of reference. Anything can be a virus. The specific issue with unlimited capitalism is that it is a virus to ourselves as well as pretty much everything else on Earth except a handful of people that benefit from it. As if they were immune.