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[-] pumpsnabben@sopuli.xyz 34 points 1 year ago

Even contemplating to adapt legal limitations on what is considered to be free speech in both Denmark and Sweden is contra productive. You can't let backward thinking extremists dictate the countries laws.

With that said, I don't support the burnings but will tolerate them.

[-] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At some point when this attracts the attention of both extremists and Islamic countries, the government has to make a decision about the practical effects this may have on their citizenry.

I don't blame them at all for feeling like maybe they should bow out of an ideological battle they really don't have as much of a stake in, nor do I expect the majority of Danes to fight it for me.

[-] pumpsnabben@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

The last time extremists demanded something Denmark refused because they support freedom of speech.

The "offending" part just kept on publishing images of Muhammed, Denmark stood strong and did not allow extremists to dictate policy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Firstly, that taught us a lesson, you can either have free speech or you can have commerce. Look at how Sweden has had to slack on their democratic values to join NATO.

Secondly, the cartoons weren't a Russian PSYOP like the Quran burnings seem to be: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/27/burning-of-quran-in-stockholm-funded-by-journalist-with-kremlin-ties-sweden-nato-russia

[-] pumpsnabben@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Do Denmark have a lot of trade with muslim countries?

Your link is about Rasmus Paludan but we (Sweden) have had several Quran burnings done by others, so has Denmark.

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Do Denmark have a lot of trade with muslim countries?

We export a lot of dairy products to Muslim countries. Butter especially as well as powdered milk are big.

Your link is about Rasmus Paludan but we (Sweden) have had several Quran burnings done by others, so has Denmark.

Yes, so have we, but Paludan is the one case where the Russians goofed their OPSEC and we can show their involvement. One swallow does not a summer make, but Paludan has been burning Qurans left and right, and we're to believe that the Russian intelligence services were only involved once?

It would seem logical that the Russians have moved from just supporting right wing politics like they've been doing for at least the last decade https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/europe-s-far-right-enjoys-backing-russia-s-putin-n718926 and https://www.lai.lv/viedokli/examining-the-kremlins-and-far-right-parties-cooperation-should-the-eu-be-worried-430 to now also using more fast acting methods to create political chaos in a time of war, ie Quran burnings. Especially as Putin's favor is dwindling on the European right https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/09/23/among-european-right-wing-populists-favorable-views-of-russia-and-putin-are-down-sharply/

[-] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

And were the over two hundred citizens who died for that policy happy to do so? Again, it's about a tradeoff, and I'm not going to fault them for the one that keeps Danes alive.

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[-] Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Exactly, if you want theocracy laws go live in a theocracy

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