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The data is coming from the world's largest democracy perception study, published by the Alliance of Democracies Foundation (a Danish-based non-profit organisation).
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In my country I could live without working and still be in pretty good health conditions after years, if I would like to.
Is that possible in China?
Because my country is the average "western" country and I consider it still pretty far from a democratic utopia.
The average "western" country depends on the spoils of Imperialism to subsidize costs, ie social safety nets and lower prices of commodities through expropriating vast amounts of wealth from the Global South. China doesn't do that, its own development and safety nets come from their own labor and production. Very different circumstances.
Lol that must be true for some country somewhere, but China is not it, no matter how much even I would like it to be true.
It is true, though. The PRC's economy is extrenely industrialized and focused on exporting commodities, western countries use financial domination and strategic underdevelopment of the Global South to get cheap commodities. The West doesn't produce as much as it takes, China produces for itself and sells the excess to others.
In my country we produce for ourselves and sell the excess too... Still not even close to a socialist utopia though...
Every country exports and imports, that's not what I'm talking about. Private monopoly Capital in western countries extends and carves out the value created in the Global South. The PRC is far more industrialized than any Western Country, it doesn't engage in Imperialism. Here's a good article on Imperialism.
Further, nobody said China was a Utopia. It's a developing Socialist country, Socialism isn't some holy status that makes all who live in it live magical lives, it's a mode of production. China has a long way to go, but Socialism is why it has had the success it has so far.
I see, well, that means I must be already living in some kind of socialist utopia then. That's nice!
No, you don't, nobody does, there are no "utopias." Further, Socialism is not the absence of Imperialism, it's a mode of production where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, not private ownership. There are no Socialist western countries, and all countries we think of as the "west" participate in this system of Imperialism dominated by the US Empire.
Well if China is a socialist developing country and the living conditions are inferior than what i have here, this must be an even more advanced socialist society, basically an utopi.
Socialism doesn't mean "good living conditions," Socialism is a mode of production where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, not private ownership. Further, if you are living in a western country, you are living in a country that benefits from Imperialism, and has not had to liberate itself from colonialism and subjugation.
This is just silly, I really don't know what point you're trying to make other than being intentionally obtuse.
Oh wow, so the Chinese people own the means of production?
The overwhelming majority of the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and planned, and hence is the principle aspect of the economy. Private ownership is typical of small and medium firms, and as these grow they are folded into the public sector with increasing control. There's also a substantial cooperative sector, like Huawei and commonly in collective farms.
What do you own then? And how much have you earned from it?
What on Earth are you talking about? I live in the US, not the PRC, the US is Capitalist. What point are you trying to make?
LMAO ok then
I genuinely don't understand what point you're trying to make. You call Socialist theory "propaganda" and then you ask how I earn money? What's going on?
I thought i was talking with someone who knew first hand what they were taking about. Not a tankie.
You're talking to a Marxist-Leninist, who knows what he's talking about because he spends a good deal of time reading Marxist theory and studying the various Marxist countries and their histories so as to better understand how to bring about Socialism in the US. Whining about Marxists on a Socialist comm using the hammer and sickle as an icon is silly behavior, you're going to find Socialists on a Socialist comm.
China is Socialist, again, as I said public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Can you elaborate on why you think this isn't the case, or why you have a different definition of Socialism from Socialists, just like you did Imperialism? Did you invent your definition of Socialism too?
I also fail to see how rejecting Socialism as Socialism makes you a "better Socialist." Is this some kind of purity thing, or are you just confused?
If you're not working to support your life, then someone else is.
Yes?