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Originally Posted By u/biograf_ At 2025-06-11 10:30:10 AM | Source


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[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago

NGL, a Walton family member's involvement in this really just makes it look bad and even makes me question whether there's some sort of malicious ulterior goal to be achieved here. Of course I understand that Christy Walton is a human being fully capable of coming to right conclusions and having real emotional and ethical concerns even in contradiction to her background, as many people do. But is she actually that sort of person? Or is she the other type, and she's playing a cynical game and manipulating the masses for some covert benefit to herself? Unfortunately there's no way to tell.

[-] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not familiar with the organization, but it looks like they're just advocating for a more stable version of capitalism, which doesn't challenge the Waltons or Walmart in any way. It could even be as cynical as "don't deport our minimum wage workers" because hiring is expensive.

Also, anyone who ties their identity and virtue to being citizens of a genocidal settler colony that has trampled over human rights and dignity in pretty much every corner of the world is, at best, a bit sus.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, agreed. But it's unfortunate that this is now being intermixed with other movements pertaining to all of this which more directly are concerned with capitalism. Feels like an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of dynamic, which is more than a little risky - especially when the enemy of my enemy is a much more powerful entity than I am, I run the risk of my message being completely drowned out by theirs.

[-] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Totally valid concerns. Capitalists love to co-opt their opposition.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

"If"? We're still debating the chance of being fucked from a different direction by essentially the same 1%?

This country is fucking doomed.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

Do I think Walton is one of these "good ones"? No, I don't. But I can't deny that there's no way for me to tell for sure. I don't believe she is, but the plausible deniability this provides her creates problematic dynamics, which is why I made my comment. Of course I believe that this is a cynical game on Walton's part, I'm only saying that we can't know for sure when it comes to this sort of activism, which is disturbing and problematic for movements, because it muddies the waters. It gives plausible deniability and confuses people in the middle, not to mention giving ammunition to the conservatives who want to claim that all these movements are billionaire funded ploys. "No Kings" is Walmart associated now? Now you need disclaimers to specify you don't like them either. It's disheartening to see (what I believe was a grassroots?) movements being co-opted by the wealthy and powerful as yet another way of the system integrating dissent to it's own benefit. It makes me think it may be necessary to form movements radical enough that they intrinsically cannot be adopted by the system - but of course such movements have proportionately more difficulty gathering support.

As an aside, I've noticed that I often get really reactionary responses to my comments like this on Lemmy when I say something that even hints at a possibility of reality being different from the dominant cultural narrative on the site, even when I in fact agree with that narrative. But even acknowledging the ways in which that narrative might be wrong is met with hostility. Nuance is an important thing, but it's unfortunate that I have to be so painstakingly precise with anything that even has the scent of countercultural thinking just to get my point across. The defensiveness and jumping to antagonistic conclusions is not a good thing to cultivate.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

That's a shit argument, and I'm willing to bet you already know that

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago

Argument? I'm agreeing with you. What do you think we're even arguing about? And please don't insinuate that I'm posting in bad faith just because you think I disagree with you.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

No, you're not. It's telling that you think you are, though.

[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, we are agreeing. It's telling that you think we aren't, though.

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