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Wilhite says jif, I use jif. He created it, he gets to name it.
He didn't tell anyone it was pronounced jif till a great many years later, after most people were pronouncing it gif.
He lost the right to dictate how everyone else pronounces it for that reason alone. So fuck him. =)
Edit: It was made in 1987 and he waited till 2013. Lmao, he lost that fight long ago.
I understand that some people feel very strongly about pronunciations. So be angry about the correct pronunciation, heck, don't use the correct pronunciation, who cares?
But Wilhite made it, so he gets to name it, regardless of the popularity of later pronunciation debates that largely take place in a forum where you can't actually pronounce the word because we're all typing. It's pretty funny.
Gerrymandering was named after Elbridge Gerry, but his name is pronounced Gary: https://youtu.be/Rp0Qz19nlG4
Popularity of pronunciation does actually matter, regardless of origin.
There are plenty of pronunciations that have changed from the original and are now generally accepted as correct. Here are some examples
https://linguisticus.wordpress.com/2014/12/07/10-words-whose-pronunciation-has-changed-over-time/
Anywho, if you have any recommendations for birthday jifts for kids, lemme know
Nice! Read the related comment by this juy: https://lemmy.world/comment/1832124
I'm not angry about the correct pronunciation, since I and most people already do pronounce it correctly. As Gif, not Jif.
You're right about one thing; he named it. But he doesn't get to dictate how it's pronounced many years later after the majority had already been pronouncing it a certain way. If he wanted it called Jif, then he should have said so from the very beginning. Why wait till 2013? Doesn't that seem odd to you? Dude likely doesn't even care and only declared that in 2013 to start an argument over it.
I'm sorry but the popularity of how a word is pronounced does in fact actually matter. Plus, the English language is changing all the time and how we pronounce certain words also changes. People will say what feels most natural to them.
I've used the word Gif in real life, multiple times. Everyone I know pronounces it the same way. 🤷🏻♀️
However you want to pronounce it is fine, but it doesn't make it correct.
I don't think there's a time limit on announcing the way a creator prefers to pronounce the name of his creation.
It became an internet sensation, people asked him about the correct way to pronounce gif, he specified how he prefers to pronounce it.
I prefer to pronounce it that way as well, as the original pronunciation by the creator. That's more correct to me, but nobody's forcing you to pronounce it any particular way.
Except it does. This isn't the first time to happen with the English language, and it won't be the last.
Sure, but the most popular way to pronounce a word wins, and it isn't his way.
Yea I'm aware, I read all about it back in 2013 as well.
That's nice. Now you know why the majority continue to pronounce it as Gif and not Jif, because it's the most popular and comfortable way to pronounce it. The creators opinion on the matter is inconsequential.
Cheers!
This is interesting, you're kind of proving yourself wrong. If "The most popular way to pronounce a word wins", as you say, then why are you and others still so ardently supportive of one pronunciation(deemed correct by the inventor) or the other(deemed incorrect by the inventor)? Seems like if you had won, there wouldn't be any debate.
It just sounds like you're making the case that coba-bola should be the new name for Coca-Cola. That can definitely be your name for it, and you can try to convince as many people as you want of a name that you prefer. But it doesn't change the original and correct name of that beverage.
Sure, follow the majority. While majority rule often turns out to be incorrect and it doesn't seem like the right way for me to make decisions or judgments, it's certainly your prerogative to pronounced jif the same way many other people do.
For you, a hard g is more popular and comfortable, and that's great. Doesn't make it correct, but it's still great.
I got to be honest with you, but I'm already over this topic, so I'm not even going to read your latest response to me. There really isn't anything new either of us have to share; you pronounce it one way, the majority pronounce it another. The end. Have a good evening/night/morning/etc.
Ah yes, proving you don't care about a subject by continuing to discuss it. Classic.
Actually that's exactly what makes it correct, language is democratic. The more popular way to convey ideas is the correct way, as that is the entire purpose of language (to convey ideas to other individuals) and that's why language changes over time.
The more popular way to convey ideas is the more popular way, not the correct way. 🍆 💦
I love how you just have a compulsive need to be wrong at this point, it's something you don't see everyday.
That your mantra?
Most people pronounced it correctly. Hard G was mocked on many tech sites and sites like 4chan.
You mean "jif" was openly mocked, and still is for the most part. Anyone referring to it as Jif is typically viewed as pretentious.
But you are correct about people pronouncing it correctly; as Gif. =)
Soft G was only recently psedo-mocked on tech-stupid subreddits.
If he didn't want people to pronounce it two different ways he should have spelled it differently.
Right? And people get mad at me for saying gur-affe at the zoo. They should have spelt it different if they wanted me to say jir-affe.
Anyway, back to work on my jithub project.
I feel that way about studio ghibli
Yea, should have. As another commenter posted, Wilhite should have called it the jraphics interchange format.
Ah, yes "Jrafic interchange format"
Giraffe
Let's not forget: Giant Gin Ginger Gingivitis Gibberish Gypsy Gerbil Gentle Gender George Gina Ginnie
Gel Gif
Acronyms are not pronounced based on the words that form them.
Ah, yes. NaySAh(NASA), SaKUBA(SCUBA), MeDAS(MIDAS), JayFEG(JPEG), RADiR(RADAR) ...
Underrated comment here
That's what the inventor chose, so yup. Unfortunately, jif is the correct pronunciation.
My favorite example of this is aluminum. Twice now, I've spoken to British English speakers that insist aluminum is pronounced the British way. And when I point out aluminum is an American invention, they check their phone, roll their eyes, and accept that I can say it that way, but they never will.
And euphonically they're correct, the British pronunciation of aluminum sounds way cooler. I used to use gif until I looked up the usage history specifically for these moments, hahaha. But that's not its name. So I use jif.
Very nicely put. I always noticed this phenomenon but ascribed it to people clinging to schemic security blankets, but it's good to know that there's a term that describes the illogical dependence on evolving correctness.
Aluminium sounds cool if you're British and aluminum sounds cool if you're American. How do the other English speaking countries say it?
I've only heard the British and American version myself
Incorrect. I've already covered why in previous comments though.
Back at you.