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No, it hasn't. That is, unless you want to claim that liberals lying themselves into a corner is (somehow) "leftist strategy."
What? What does that mean in the context of this conversation?
This you?
I could have sworn that was you.
I'm not a liberal, I'm anti-capitalist.
And also I'm correct, every election is like groundhogs day, like being trapped in a time loop, where leftists go:
"The lesser of two evils is still evil, I'm going to keep my hands clean".
"Voting doesn't work, because you can't fix an inherently flawed system from within the system."
"Voting is just part of the system of oppression by keeping people complacent from making real changes."
In my memory this anti-voting/vote boycotting goes back at least to 2000 Bush/Gore.
Now let's say I'm completely wrong, let's say I'm crazy and I just made that all up in my head. Let's say that leftists have always been enthusiastic participators in American democracy, and 2024 was the first ever leftist election boycott.
Now from 2025 to 2028, is the overton window moving left, or right? Will the 2028 election be to the left of 2024, or will 2028 be to the right of 2024?
I'm dead serious willing to bet $500 that 2028 will be to the right of 2024. The overton window is still moving right.
So did my original statement even matter? Either way leftist election boycotts are moving the overton window right, whether it started in 2000, or 2024.
The only question is, how many election boycotts have to fail at doing what leftists want until leftists suddenly become aware they are poking the stick in their own bicycle wheel?
Yes... and you have decided to blame leftists for this instead of the political racketeers who invented and maintains this cyclical pseudo-democratic spectacle itself.
How liberal of you... you, a (supposed) "anti-capitalist."
You can't be a liberal and an anti-capitalist, Clyde - you have to decide which you're going to be.
And they are correct.
And they are still correct.
Nope. It was a thing long before the Russian Revolution, genius - it's only you liberals that are now finding out how utterly hollow your "liberal democracy" truly is and always have been. Leftists have known that before Marx or Bakunin even went through puberty.
Yes. Let's.
You kinda crashed out and lost the plot, you were claiming that leftists were doing lots of voting up until 2024, but you just confirmed my whole point that leftists did not vote.
Is that your excuse for blaming leftists instead of the political racketeers who got you into this situation in the first place?
Try harder.
Man you love the sound of your voice. I'm getting you sniff your farts vibe
Lol! Do you liberals ever stop projecting?
Not a liberal. But it's to be expected that the most productive dialog we can get out of someone like you is regurgitation of more labels and thought terminating cliches.
The void of inaction you have to offer the world is more empty phrases and faux anger. Keep at it. Things will change for better with or without you. The universe keeps moving on regardless of how much you choose to participate in it. You can contribute to building something or just sit here behind a keyboard sniffing your farts. You only get one life to live.
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck... and all that. You're a liberal.
You offer nothing except business as usual, liberal. And you can't stand it when actual leftists tell you to shove it where the sun don't shine.
Don't be angry at me, liberal. Your ideology were unmasked a long, long time ago - as far back as Malcolm X, in fact:
"The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative." - Malcolm X
Don't be angry at me because you are that which you are.
I could be wrong, but I get the sense there are a lot of young people on this platform and maybe this is your first experience with election cycles?
I don't know... how many election cycles has there been since Bush Snr. invaded Panama?
Ok so maybe you've been around. How's the leftist strategy of non participation been working out? Have we moved to closer to our goals?
What "leftist strategy" of non-participation?
Do you really believe the people who stayed away from the US elections last year did so because of some "leftist strategy?"
Get real.
How can you in one breath confirm Kamala wasn't progressive enough and an the same time claim people did not turn up not because of the lack of appeal to leftist politics? Which is it? It's the whole argument of this thread. What do you think we're discussing?
You're on an anarchist sub, Clyde - nobody here is going to be fooled by politicians peddling edgy liberalism.
Go back and make sure you didn't lose the plot of the thread at the very start, okay?
I don't care what sub I'm in. All I want is leftists to learn to become politically effective. I want leftist objectives to become mainstream. I want to get us out of this endless loop of whining and pandering to virtue signals. I'm going off the starting topic above about how leftists refuse participate in the electoral process because the candidates put forward are not idealistically aligned 100%. This is shortsighted and gets nothing accomplished. These next four years the Overton window will move so far to the right we might as well start over from scratch. It's one thing to clap all day about progressive values. It's another process altogether to become politically effective. Some of that requires building coalitions. Doing the groundwork to set up foundations. You know, politics.
So your definition of "politically effective" is to just become liberals?
I don't know if you've noticed, but the (so-called) "mainstream" exists to co-opt and de-radicalise leftist objectives. The "mainstream" is not funded by Anarchism Inc, you know.
The candidates put forward are 100% antithetical to leftists objectives. Political parties do not exist to represent the working class and never have. They're not funded by Anarchist Inc either.
Fuck "progressive" values.
Coalitions with whom? The very liberals who will sell us out to the fascists as soon as we threaten the power and privilege of their capitalist benefactors?
You're doing the thing. You're grandstanding while not engaging with the substance of what I wrote.
I never said leftist have to become liberal. Did I say that? Where did I say that?
I've heard this diatribe a thousand times. It's like you guys share the same copy pasta so you can fellate endlessly to how "neoliberalism is fascism in disguise".
Enjoy your circle jerk. Some of us are going to roll up our sleeves and get to work trying to make the world better.
So... just more liberalism from you, eh?
How long do you think it'll take them to get you to do apologetics for genocide?
Same old same old grandstanding and huffing and puffing. Now we have to drag me politics into any of this as if you really give a damn about Palestine (I know you don't).
Have fun sitting on your throne of... getting absolutely nothing done.
Please stop projecting, liberal. We all know your ilk is perfectly fine with genocide as long as the blood and gore doesn't intrude into your first-world consumerist utopia.
You have always been perfectly fine with it... you're just not as honest about it as your fascist cousins.
Feel free to piss off and sink with your precious and faux "liberal democracy." No one here will shed a tear for you.
Stop pretending you give a damn about genocide. Im sure you have no idea what is happening in Yemen, Syria, or Sudan. I'm also certain you couldn't place Gaza on a map before Oct 7. You never gave a shit before Oct 7 and damn certainly don't care now. It only took you five minutes to bring it up so you can continue your cosplay.
Also, stop ascribing me to liberalism. I have nothing to do with it. And the fact that you're still playing this game tells me you have not understood anything of what I said so far. I'm done with this conversation
Again... stop projecting, liberal.
Again... we all know your ilk is perfectly fine with genocide as long as the blood and gore doesn’t intrude into your first-world consumerist utopia.
Again... you have always been perfectly fine with it - you’re just not as honest about it as your fascist cousins.
Again... feel free to piss off and sink with your precious and faux “liberal democracy.”
Again... no one here will shed a tear for you.
Don't cut yourself on all that edge, m'lord.
Not being an apologist for genocide is "edgy" to you, liberal?
Nah. It's just your thought terminating cliches and constant labels and faux angst that carries into everything you say.
I guess anything is desirable except being politically effective. Now go away and keep sniffing your farts. It's the best you have to offer to the world after all
Soooo not being an apologist for genocide is "edgy" to you, then?
I think you should just read what you wrote. you seem to be able to put the words in the right order, without understanding what they mean.
Yes I'm on my phone on the go. It's sometimes not easy to type it out as I had in my mind. I think everyone can understand what I intended unless they are brain dead.
Kamala was too centrist for people so they didn't show up. But two things can be true: leftists generally don't participate in politics and dnc candidates tend to skew to the middle. Because guess what? Older people show up more to polls.