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I’m out of the loop, what’s the pizza cake drama?
pizzacake is a woman with opinions. misogynists hate her for that. One time, she didn't handle that very well. Lots of people got banned on reddit. Now people here mostly bitch about her comics being "low effort" and such, which mostly just reveals "I don't have a legit argument to hate this person so I'm going to pointlessly criticise her work instead."
As I've said in another comment, if some rando did the same scenario in ragemaker and posted it, everyone would be all over how relatable it is.
That said, it is possibly to simply not like the artstyle, or to not find the scenario relatable, or whatever criticism a person might have. Divorced of context, those criticisms sound valid. With context though, it becomes obvious that it is popular to persecute pizzacake.
Y'all have got to join us in reality.
Yes, there are some misogynists who hate pizzacake because she is a woman exercising her agency.
That is not the majority of pushback against her, just the most disgusting and vocal.
The vast majority of criticism of pizzacake is towards her lack of punchlines, constant strawmanning, the unbelievable sycophants who follow and worship her and have turned the relevant subreddit into basically /r/ChurchofPizzacake, and for pizzacake's pattern of poor behavior in interactions on reddit and elsewhere.
There is a lot of grossness surrounding the entire pizzacake topic, yes, that's undeniable. But to effectively chalk up all or most of the criticism as misogyny when a healthy majority of it sticks to the content of her comics or conduct in direct interactions rather than any extracurricular activities she may engage in, is just disingenuous as fuck.
I should clarify, I'm not claiming that everyone who is criticizing pizzacake is a misogynist. I am however saying that it is popular among misogynists to bully women artists and call it "criticism", thus, the presence of certain kinds of criticism indicates an increased likelihood that the "critic" is actually a misogynist, even if the criticisms at face value are legitimate.
I shouldn't need to have a law degree to write a comment in a comics forum.
Ah, I remember having these arguments about whether Star Wars 7 should have let Rey be a woman. Uh, I mean, a Mary Sue.
The parallels are stark indeed. Divorced of context, it's perfectly reasonable to accept the argument that Rey is a poorly written character (because she is). Normal, well adjusted people were able to accept that the sequel trilogy sucks for numerous reasons, Rey being a poorly written character being one of them, and then move on. The problem with this criticism isn't the criticism itself, but rather the people who bang on and on and on about it reveal that they didn't have a problem with the writing, they had a problem with a female character having agency.
"Mind what people do, not just what they say, for deeds will betray a lie."
I'm not on Reddit, I don't care what the subreddit is like.
fans of [thing] are on the subreddit of [thing] saying how much they like [thing]?! I guess I should hate everything then!
Your grasping at straws here man.
For some reason PCC:s supporters never mention that she threatened to sue a subreddit for making fun of her comics. "One time she didn't handle that very well" that's putting it very mildly. PC is just toxic
Is that what the narrative is now? I think the critics would have mentioned it last time, they were very thorough and even cited sources.
I only hear about her onlyfans from people who don't like her because she has an onlyfans. You advertise more than she does.
She has an only fans??! o.O zomg
Thanks lemmy566567 for letting me know! I'll check it out right now!
I didn't know who she was or her gender when I said I hate her art style is almost as much as Ben Garrison's.
her comics are ~~mid~~ mediocre and you will catch a ban if you say that in r/comics
I wasn't aware we're bringing Reddit dramas to fester on Lemmy
That's her biggest platform by far, so I think what they said is fair game. Does Mastodon never talk about what happens on Twitter or BlueSky? The fact Reddit is a cesspool doesn't mean we should pretend it doesn't exist.
It doesn't mean we should imitate them either
But we're not...? Someone just asked "what's the drama?" and someone matter-of-factly said what the drama is. What makes you think anything here is imitating Reddit?
The rest of the comments under the post? Like half of them are recreating the same drama all over
Calling her comics mid as fuck? I mean they are, but that isn't "drama".
the last time i saw a pizzacake comic on lemmy people were wigging out about it even being here.i don't see much in this particular thread but people are absolutely bringing reddit drama about this lady's comics.
Bringing pizzacake to Lemmy and not expecting her sycophants to follow is like stealing a block of cheese from a rat and not expecting it to follow you.
I'll try not to let it happen again.
To be fair “your comic sucks” is kind of a dickish thing to comment.
Excuse me, I thought mid meant something along the lines of mediocre, not suck.
I’m being hyperbolic.
OK. I'm not being hyperbolic.
It does.
It does and doesn't.
It means 'middle', but to be 'middle' in a world of greats is to be lame and worth very little.
Think about it this way: when someone says something sucks, no one ever corrects them "nah, it's mid," like in a positive way.
It wasn't intended to be either a slight or a compliment.
If you ain't first, you're last? Nah. That don't make no sense.
https://youtu.be/20iio0wLpPA
I'm not making prescriptions, man, I'm just telling you how people use the word. You have to think about how people use hyperbole.
Mid is often used in reference to things that are culturally popular, and so is a way to denigrate them. In that way, the person is saying "actually, Marvel's not that good," or "eh, it's not really worth your time," or "you seem kinda stupid for liking trash media so much."
In other contexts, 'mid' can mean 'average' just fine: "Not good, not bad. Worth one go around, maybe." That's why I said it does and it doesn't.
People are reading something into it that I didn't intend, so I changed it. I'm not arguing about how other people use it or saying you are wrong.
Its kind of a dick move to start writing hate comments under a comic that you find mildy displeasing.
Yeah, if you have like.. actual constructive feedback go for it, but “this is mid/low effort” really isn’t helpful
Yeah, I agree.
All I know is she posts lewds to her Patreon and has lots of simps
I fail to understand why posting a pair of tits is such a controversial thing to do. Maybe I'm too European to lose my marbles over some nipples.
Pizzacake makes a lot of feminist leaning comics which heavily criticize the patriarchy, male objectification of women and "creepy" men who comment sexual things towards women.
In light of that, a lot of people find it hypocritical that she'd sell pictures of herself online for dudes to jerk off to when that's the exact opposite audience her comics tries to appeal to.
When the leak first happened, she presented the narrative as though her consent was violated and she was being sexually harassed by having private nudes released. When people found out that she was selling the photos publicy for money, suddenly it became aparent we werent talking about sexual abuse we were talking about piracy. It got a lot of people irritated for having been mislead, and then they started asking why the photos were there in the first place.
If she knows that she is the target of harassment campaigns, a lot of people are confused as to why she would post her nudes in a public space and not expect them to leak.
Given the fact she is a public figure who regularly makes comics out of her children, regularly gets doxxed and is targetted by hate, you would expect her to be a bit smarter about what she puts online. She's been online for years but seeks to lack basic understanding of cause and effect online (or else she understands it all too well and plays the victim perfectly to promote herself by baiting outrage incredibly effectively).
The part of it that bothers me personally is that there are kids involved and there is a 100% chance that all the kids at her son's school know and have looked up these nudes and her son probably gets bullied about it.
She has children so she has to be a paragon of virtue?
What?
I never used this term sorry, I'm not sure what you’re reading.
Yes, everyone should practice OPSEC, but a public "celebrity" who's sole business is online doubly so.
A parent should simply include their kids in the calculus.
She doesn't practice OPSEC because she has an OF that exists? I am not nearly as aware of her OF as the people that don't like her, so you'll have to let me know if there's something different she should be doing with it.
I must be really out of the loop. What is her business that results in her having enemy intelligence? Is it being on OF that gets you enemy intelligence, or making comics?
If she didn't want her nudes to be publicly accessibly, uploading them publicly on social media could be considered bad OPSEC.
Oh, I guess you are, sorry. Like I was saying in my last comment, there's a lot of "lore".
Her primary business is through her comics. She actually turned making a business into a comic itself.
https://www.reddit.com/user/Pizzacakecomic/comments/1jaby6v/comment/mqri41h/?context=3
I'll quote the enemy intelligence part from an r/outoftheloop thread. You can read the whole thing if you're interested about the events of her most recent hack/doxxing about a week ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1kio389/whats_going_on_with_pizza_cake/
From a recent comment, she has only now set up 2FA.
https://www.reddit.com/user/Pizzacakecomic/comments/1kipftd/comment/mrgpabo/
I really hate how much talking about internet security comes across as victim blaming but not having 2FA set up as a public celebrity who is constantly being attacked is once again bad OPSEC.
Sure. But that sounds like her problem, not a reason for me to dislike her.
This sounds a lot like "there are duchbags attacking her because they are misogynists" which again, is not a good reason for other people to dislike her.
You don't seem to realize she is the victim of horrific hate campaigns, having her personal information including address and kids school doxxed, her account through which she makes her income hacked and deleted, she's been stalked, threatened and harassed, etc.
I'm over here trying to talk about internet security.
If you're just looking for reasons to dislike her then go circlejerk somewhere else
I'm not, but if we look back to the top of this comment chain, we see someone complaining that the comments won't be about the comic but instead about how shitty a person the artist is for some reason.
We get a reply to that about how she has an OF, and then the comment you replied to:
So one could be forgiven for assuming your response to that was part of the conversation about why it's so controversial and the artist being a shitty person.
If you are in fact over here just "trying to talk about Internet security" then it sounds like you've taken a bizarre tangent from the topic at hand in order to circle jerk about your topic of choice.
Yes, in my original comment I was explaining why her posting a pair of tits was "controversial" to her audience.
Then you started asking me a bunch of questions about her OPSEC.
I have spent multiple comments stating no that's not what I'm saying and correcting you.
It can not be forgiven at this point if you still insist on your misunderstanding so I'm going to disengage.
This was the actual problem remember. You didn't know she had attacks from hackers, you didn't know about her business or any of the story.
You're welcome for looping you in but dear God why have you reset back 10 comments already and acting like you forgot what we literally just went over.
Good luck with whatever the hell you're doing.