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Genocide is not something you stay at home for and hope it goes away on its own.
You don't get to claim the ally if all you did was nothing.
OP criticized people who stayed home (choosing to hold on to their purity) instead of voting for the candidates least likely to perpetuate futher suffering.
Going "oh no this trolley problem is so terrible I refuse to even look at the lever" is prioritizing your own moral superiority over the people tied to the tracks.
Further
And such imply that we are voting to start one or not. That's not on the ballot. The war has already started and we are asking people to vote for the side that cares more about ending it.
It really shows how privileged we are that we take a luxury of picking allies.
Even if someone is taking the position of total Palestine Victory the dems are the better pick as they most likely lead to being ableyto fight another day.
People who didn't vote because the dems aren't perfect are the worst allies.
It's hard to take seriously people who describe "actively committing genocide" as "not perfect"
Damn soldier, you have a lot of luxury commenting from the front line.
Lmk how abstaining strategy is working. Read the part I wrote about living to fight another day.
Maybe take your brain out of the box and wear it.
Brain in a box literally posts like someone doing the exact thing I'm talking about. Funny huh?
Wdym? that Box Brain wants to keep the genocide going by demonizing those that would oppose it? I've literally asked him what his plan is instead, but he keeps purity testing and insisting he is not a troll. I re-stated my position in a few words for clarity and wanting to be understood.
Yeah exactly. He's clearly just a troll trying to get leftists/liberals to sit out because ISSUE wasn't immediately addressed. Literally that's a right wing tactic. Lol.
Easy for them not being in a city under siege.
You are lying about me, because you cannot accept disagreement
You are lying about me because I disagreed with you.
And you are on the front line? What is your point?
And no, Democrats give Palestinians no better chance of fighting another day, that just give liberals a license to pretend the genocide isn't happening.
Maybe you should take your brain out of your skull and wear it.
This is the perfect example of the purity test OP was talking about.
Two people who couldn't be more clear in their comments how disgusted they are by this obvious ongoing genocide, but yet completely powerless to do anything about it.
One person wants to use the little power they have to steer the country as far away from genocide as they can, and the other who sees that the game is rigged and wants no part in the government claiming their consent.
What's unfortunate is that you're directed all you anger at each other since neither knows how to direct it at the people in power.
"Democrats" are not a monolith. Criticize the democrats all you want when they deny the genocide, but when we have candidates saying the following, it does feel like you're being overly pessimistic about what allies you actually do have available to you inside this broken party:
I'm comfortable "purity testing" active genocide.
Only one of them is committing genocide denial.
I'm angry at people who do genocide denial
I am, and I'm being told that I'm "purity testing"
And yet she activity supported the people committing this genocide. And even she is the absolute fringe of the democrats. The ones actually running for president support Israel fully.
The reality is that you are comfortable letting Palestinians die by promoting inaction of anything that might help them.
No one is denying that it is happening.
Projection.
I have never done that. Lying.
People are absolutely denying that the democrats participated in genocide.
What point are you trying to make with that screeshot?
No one should be told they're purity testing for criticizing the democrats.
Purity testing would be saying someone can't be an ally in criticizing the democrats with you because they're an enemy for voting for them.
Someone put a coin in my hand and said "heads is genocide, tails is genocide in a different way" and I really cared about not doing genocide so I asked "can I choose none" and they said "you can walk away, but then the coin will be flipped randomly".
If you walked away from that coin flip and left the consequences to chance, I really don't have a lot of patience hearing you judge me for all the burden and anxiety I put on myself researching which option was worse so I could make the least worst choice.
Walking away seems the easy choice here. You didn't stop the genocide, you just washed your hands clean of it.
Criticizing me for choosing, instead of being an ally, saying "that was a tough choice, but don't give up **here's what we can do next" is useless.
Instead of saying we should stay home and not vote, suggest something we can do. The endless criticizing of powerless people just trying their best in a shitty situation is why you're being accused of purity testing.
Ok, well I am being. In fact, look at InternetCitizen2's posts to see him stalking me across different unrelated instances to accuse me of it, among other obviously bad faith accusations.
Again, look at his post history. I'm comfortable saying I can't be an ally with someone like that.
That's fine; so long as you're actually be honest about what you voted for, which is rare. Most of the people I'm talking to actively deny the Democrat's evil.
Atleast I'm not denying it.
I'll criticize you if you deny what you chose, if you're honest about it I'll merely disagree with you.
I'm just asking people to stop engaging in genocide denial. If lesser evil voting means rewriting history to exonerate the perpetrators of genocide, then I cannot accept it.
Because I want material benefits to Palestine? Not going "lesser of two evils" has not helped anyone. You are being a bad ally by stifling political support Palestine could have (and needs). Also I keep asking you what you real plan, so that we know if you have anything serious to say, but you keep purity trolling.
No one is denying anything. You are pretending people are.
Because you're a genocide denier who abuses and attacks and lies about anyone who disagrees with you, including stalking me across multiple different instances slandering me.
And thats why we could never be allies: because you respond to disagreement by engaging in active slander and lies against me.
No one is denying anything. You are pretending people are.
You have repeatedly denied that the Democrats were engaging in genocide.
See @WhatsTheHoldup? These are the kind of people I oppose.
Screenshot where I say it is not happening.
We cannot because you are not serious about solutions. Please state what your position and policy proposals would be for clarity.
Neither are you, you just deny the genocide and attack people for disagreeing.
Do not engage in genocide denial and apologia, do not rewrite history to exonerate people who committed genocide. If your lesser evil position requires you to do that, it is not a viable position. That's been my sole proposition so far, and that's been so unacceptable that you've spent dozens of posts across multiple coms attacking me.
So where in those screenshots do I say there is no genocide? Because I am saying there is and we need serious steps to stop it. Speaking about being serious; what is your real plan?
The bit were you denied that the Democrats were committing genocide.
What's yours? Supporting the people doing the genocide certainly isn't a real plan.
Supporting the place we have the most influence for a positive outcome.
Bro your answer sucks so hard when you finally say it. War is brutal and you are going to need allies that show up. Check your privileging not being in a city under siege. Your answer is "I wont do anything and watch more Palestinians die because it discomforts me". That is a complete non answer and why you are a bad ally. Because you do not show up (and you are trying to discourage those that would).
Seriously. Check your privilege. Being well fed and warm. Of course you can afford to wait.
I take it back. You are not a troll. That is too good for you. You are just pro genocide.
What a shock that stating my position would result in you ignoring it and then making up a strawman. Just like you did last time I stated it.
"Don't do genocide denial" apaprentl "sucks", according to the genocide denier.
So once again, you didn't bother to read my post and are once again just making blatent straw-men because you cant accept disagreement.
Good thing I didn't say it then, you just made it up because you can't accept disagreement.
Again, that's you.
So why do you want to watch genocide happen? You "plan" is literally to do nothing and watch it happen.
So once again, you didn’t bother to read my post and are once again just making blatent straw-men because you cant accept disagreement. How shocking that you once again ignored what I said to just lie.
I'm telling you to put up or shut up. Making purity tests for what is a good ally for those actually dying is insanely tone deaf.