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[-] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 88 points 1 week ago

The LLM peddlers seem to be going for that exact result. That's why they're calling it "AI". Why is this surprising that non-technical people are falling for it?

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That's why they're calling it "AI".

That's not why. They're calling it AI because it is AI. AI doesn't mean sapient or conscious.

Edit: look at this diagram if you're still unsure:

[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

What is this nonsense Euler diagram? Emotion can intersect with consciousness, but emotion is also a subset of consciousness but emotion also never contains emotion? Intelligence does overlap at all with sentience, sapience, or emotion? Intelligence isn’t related at all to thought, knowledge, or judgement?

Did AI generate this?

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

https://www.mdpi.com/2079-8954/10/6/254

What is this nonsense Euler diagram?

Science.

Did AI generate this?

Scientists did.

[-] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Not everything you see in a paper is automatically science, and not every person involved is a scientist.

That picture is a diagram, not science. It was made by a writer, specifically a columnist for Medium.com, not a scientist. It was cited by a professor who, by looking at his bio, was probably not a scientist. You would know this if you followed the citation trail of the article you posted.

You’re citing an image from a pop culture blog and are calling it science, which suggests you don’t actually know what you’re posting, you just found some diagram that you thought looked good despite some pretty glaring flaws and are repeatedly posting it as if it’s gospel.

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

You’re citing an image from a pop culture blog and are calling it science

I was being deliberately facetious. You can find similar diagrams from various studies. Granted that many of them are looking at modern AI models to ask the question about intelligence, reasoning, etc. but it highlights that it's still an open question. There's no definitive ground truth about what exactly is "intelligence", but most experts on the subject would largely agree with the gist of the diagram with maybe a few notes and adjustments of their own.

To be clear, I've worked in the field of AI for almost a decade and have a fairly in-depth perspective on the subject. Ultimately the word "intelligence" is completely accurate.

[-] thehatfox@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

In the general population it does. Most people are not using an academic definition of AI, they are using a definition formed from popular science fiction.

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

You have that backwards. People are using the colloquial definition of AI.

"Intelligence" is defined by a group of things like pattern recognition, ability to use tools, problem solving, etc. If one of those definitions are met then the thing in question can be said to have intelligence.

A flat worm has intelligence, just very little of it. An object detection model has intelligence (pattern recognition) just not a lot of it. An LLM has more intelligence than a basic object detection model, but still far less than a human.

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes, that's the point. You'd think they could have, at least, looked into a dictionary at some point in the last 2 years. But nope, everyone else is wrong. A round of applause for the paragons of human intelligence.

[-] laz@pawb.social 15 points 1 week ago

The I implies intelligence; of which there is none because it's not sentient. It's intentionally deceptive because it's used as a marketing buzzword.

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

You might want to look up the definition of intelligence then.

By literal definition, a flat worm has intelligence. It just didn't have much of it. You're using the colloquial definition of intelligence, which uses human intelligence as a baseline.

I'll leave this graphic here to help you visualize what I mean:

[-] FippleStone@aussie.zone 9 points 6 days ago

Please do post this graphic again, I don't think I've quite grasped it yet

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago
[-] Nikelui@piefed.social 3 points 6 days ago

Oh, yes. I forgot that LLM have creativity, abstract thinking and understanding. Thanks for the reminder. /s

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

It's not a requirement to have all those things. Having just one is enough to meet the definition. Such as problem solving, which LLMs are capable of doing.

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