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[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

And he is doing himself a great vafor with it, because the Nazis that will beat him up if this continues eont care if he is practicing or not. They see a brown man and violence against them is a-okay again, not just but also because of burning books.

[-] bossito@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Muslims are free to renounce their religion in Europe. That's a luxury denied in most Muslim countries. Blasphemy is the way to get this freedom as the history of Christianity shows. Appeasement of religious zealots is not the way. They're as bad as nazis, they kill people for stupid reasons. Main difference is that they're actually in power in several countries.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

You can renounce religion by simply stating it. Burning symbols of that religion is not for renouncing the religion, but to threaten members of that religion by burning their symbols. And it is a very low bar for Sweden and Denmark to justify hate speech because their are not worse than theocratic regimes in developing countries ravaged by a century of war and foreign meddling.

[-] bossito@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Religious people have as much right to promote their religion as atheists have to dessacralizing it. Your idea that Muslim equates underprivileged is not only wrong, it's borderline racist and unaware of reality.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Of course muslims face extensive discriminationin western europe, up to regularly being assaulted and murdered by facists. What the fuck are you talking about, that noting that would be racist?

[-] bossito@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's an insanely eurocentric perspective of a subject that includes violence in Muslim majority countries. And do show me the statistics of Muslims being murdered in hate crimes in Europe, would love to see that. Between or simplistic mindset and reality there's a world of difference though.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

How is burning of books in western european countries not relevant to western europe? As for Muslims being murdered in hate crime in Europe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanau_shootings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Munich_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halle_shooting - note how the attacker went on to attack a kebap shop, after failing to gain entry to a synagogue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks - note that the key motivation of the attack was hate against Islam, that led to the murder of 77 mostly teenagers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamophobic_incidents Note that these only represent a fraction of actual incidents.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCchtlingsfeindliche_Angriffe_in_der_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/fluechtlingsunterkuenfte-anschlaege-103.html

In Germany alone there have been over 12.000 attacks against refugee shelters, mainly motivated by the same ideology of Breivic, imagining a muslim immigration that would cause an exodus of white people. Of these attacks 285 were Arson and more than 2.000 attacks on refugees at shelters since 2015.

Again, note how the attacks are embedded in a specific hate against muslims, that is also cojoined with antisemitism and other aspects of facist ideology.

Also stop deflecting to the state in other countries, since two wrongs dont make a right, and again it is absurd for countries like Denmark or Sweden to compare themselves with failed states like Afghanistan, Lybia or Iraq, where unsuprsingly violence is more prevalent, since they are in a civil war.

[-] bossito@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And yet all those attacks are easily overshadowed by hate murders against Europeans by Islamic terrorists, who are also fascist. You're right, two wrongs don't make a right. Nazis in Europe and Islamic fascists wherever are both abhorrent. Burning a book is just burning a book.

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