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Nah. I mean I’m German and what you’re saying is literally what we’ve been hearing from Neonazi circles for decades. It’s historically wrong and actually antisemitic.
The holocaust is the name for this specific event and there has not in human history been a larger industrially organized murder of a people.
It’s kind of insane that this neonazi propaganda is now being adopted from what I assume are leftists.
Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda
The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas. 2 million died and 10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.
Once you add their descendents (we don't know the total number) we have 10s to 100s of millions of people living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.
Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery. Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.
And it's not just this one. Germany more or less ignores the genocide it committed in Namibia.
Even when it comes to WW2, the focus is always on the 6 million Jews and not the 20 million Slavs. Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.
And then finally, this live streamed genocide in Gaza. Which in some respects is worse than the Holocaust, even if the absolute number is lower.
My grandparents were resistance fighters in WW2. They knew Jews were being picked up and sent to camps, and they saved a few from that fate, but they didn't know the truth about Auschwitz until after the war. The images were not publicly available in occupied Europe. They were shocked. And the same is true for most Germans. The Nazi's never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide.
But in Gaza, we can all see it. It is being denied, while being live streamed. The Israeli's, Americans and the Germans can see the starving kids in Gaza and still provide popular democratic support to its continuation.
The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi's did.
The transatlantic slave trade, horrible as it was, took hundreds of years to make its victims, and was not a campaign of targeted extermination. There was little to no care for the slaves' lives, but their murder wasn't the goal.
The Holocaust only lasted from 41 to 45. 6 million jews were murdered in a span of only 4 years. In a period of just 100 days 1,47 million jews were systematically targeted and exterminated. That's nearly double the rate of the Rwandan genocide. It's the same amount of people who died on board of the slave ships spanning from the 16th to the 19th century. No genocide in history has a higher death rate than that. 90+% of Polish jews were murdered, a near total extinction.
That's what people refer to when they talk about the largest industrial genocide. No other genocide in our history has come close. The numbers do not lie, and calling the memory of the Holocaust "zionist propaganda" is pretty sickening. It's not just zionists that claim this you know, reputable historians around the world do.
Dying wasn't the goal, for the concentration camps, either, generally. It was creation of a slave labor race. Generally, the ones who were exterminated right out where the ones incapable of work (In the German's eyes).
Kinda the same with slavery. Incapable of hard labor Black people were just put down.
And is murdering them via forced labor different if it only happens in select camps, versus in the cotton fields? Is time frame a difference, really? 6 years to die vs 20 years to die... Honestly, the former is likely more "humane"...
You don't kill 1,47 million people in 100 days through working people to death. Those people were largely just exterminated, as Hitler also spoke of the "annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe".
I think you may also be confusing the concentration camps with the extermination camps. Read up on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Reinhard, millions were deported to one of six extermination camps the Nazis built. Or Aktion T4. There's plenty of sources that show the intent was to kill, any slave labor was just a nice benefit.
Slaves you keep alive on purpose, because they're no use of you dead. The Nazis did no such thing, because they preferred their victims dead.
Yes, those 1.47 million were those deemed unfit for labor.
Nothing you said disagrees with what I said.
Plenty of those people could have worked. Slave labor was not the primary purpose of the camps.
I said they were deemed unfit. Like women and children, the elderly, etc. Of course, some women were kept for sex slaves, too. Others were kept for medical experimentation, etc etc.
Again, that doesn't mean the camps were built for slave labor. In fact, camps like Birkenau didn't have slave labor when it was designed and built. It wasn't even built near any industrial capacity. Almost none of the camps did. Only once the war with the Soviets started stagnating did the Nazis facilitate slave labor at a greater scale.
Auschwitz III was a slave labor camp. Earlier camps like Auschwitz II was an extermination camp.
You don't build a slave labor camp with enough furnaces to burn half a million corpses per year, without facilities for the prisoners to do any labor.