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[-] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 255 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Evangelicals Are Now Rejecting 'Liberal' Teachings of Jesus

"Multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching'turn the other cheek'[and] to have someone come up after to say, 'Where did you get those liberal talking points?'" Moore said.

"When the pastor would say, 'I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ' ... The response would be, 'Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak," he added. "When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we're in a crisis."

[-] aviationeast@lemmy.world 115 points 1 week ago

And people dont understand why I say the orange clown is an Antichrist and may be the Antichrist.

The doomed by a perfect circle is very disturbing accurate.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah I'm not a Christian, and I know many Christians hate the "reasonable hope for salvation of righteous nonbelievers" thing, but I'll say this, I've got a strong suspicion that if I'm wrong about the veracity of Christianity then Jesus will still prefer my behavior to the maga christians'

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago
[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

That guy is still in a doomsday cult in his head.

[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago

Came here to share the same article.

It's truly uncanny

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

I reckon it has a lot to do with personality traits of evil people

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 week ago

Yeah, while there are a few odd specifics that line up, most of the predictions are just describing the personality traits of a tyrant.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If someone asked me what Trump sounded like I would never think about a lion. His voice is nasally and weak. That part reminded me a lot more of Hitler yelling into a microphone

[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

That's also how I interpret the traits.

It's common warning signs but using colorful language.

[-] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 10 points 1 week ago

Ehh, isn't the antichrist supposed to be a nearly impossibly attractive person, in charisma and looks? A lot of people either hate him or are entirely indifferent and the reasons don't seem to be religiously motivated.

I just settle with him being a douchebag.

[-] greenskye@lemm.ee 14 points 6 days ago

This is still what baffles me. We aren't losing our country to a charismatic, two faced mastermind. We're losing our country to a fucking obvious loser. He's literally so bad it's hard to parody him since even the parodies are tame in comparison to what he actually does. It's ridiculous

[-] tamman2000@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Most people are not sharp enough to see that.

We are doomed by the cuts to education they made 40 years ago

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

As others have said, that part's more modern. But also, look at what's going on, a lot of people hate him, but he has some sort of charisma to draw so many people to lockstep with him.

And one of the big things in revalations about the antichrist is that a lot of Christians will follow him because their faith is tainted and corrupted

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

isn’t the antichrist supposed to be a nearly impossibly attractive person

Premillennial dispensationalism/rapture theology is a group creative writing exercise with little relevance to the text. The prophecies in Daniel refer to the Greek king Antiochus, which is clear when one reads chapters and not verses (unfortunately uncommon in your typical Protestant church…) Revelation is referring to emperor Nero.

Really, it’s more that folks like Hal Lindsey popularized the concept by traumatizing children in church basements that’s given it the culture cachet.

[-] philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

Don’t forgot about how all his weird followers depict him in their fan art though…. They seem to at least perceive him as exactly that.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 80 points 1 week ago

Prosperity gospel has been shitting on the red text of Christ for decades now.

Jesus hated wealth inequality. The only group he said would never enter heaven were the wealthy ("easier to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven", in other words, it isn't possible for the rich to enter heaven). Jesus also violently flipped tables and whipped the wealthy to drive them out of temples.

So conservative "Christians" abandoned the teachings of Christ many decades ago.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Visions of religious leaders sitting in golden chairs and crying out for donations....

How did we get here? It's not a mystery, it's a cautionary tale.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

easier to pass through the eye of a needle

Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle...

Some bootlickers go through ridiculous contortions to avoid the plain sense of this analogy: "The Eye of the Needle was a gate in Jerusalem!" (That excuse was a late medieval fabrication by an indulgence-selling cleric craving donations from aristocrats-- there's no such gate and never was, and if there was one, the saying would make no sense).

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Not just the wealthy, but people who were using the temple as a place of business (and likely ripping people off on interest)

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

The actual story of the money changers is worse than most people know.

See, as part of their religious observance, the ancient Hebrews made a pilgrimage to the Temple. This was a mandatory part of their faith, much like the Hajj is for modern Muslims.

Those who were too poor to bring their own sacrifice could buy one at the Temple, but the Temple didn't take the coin of the realm (the Roman coins), they only accepted Shekels.

So, the Money Changers. They set up in the Temple itself and were fleecing pilgrims of all their money.

In comes Jesus, who flipped tables and broke out the whip, and less than a week later he was crucified.

And this is the only part of the bible that I believe is 100% historically accurate. A peace loving Rabbi threw a fit over the Money Changers and was crucified for it.

[-] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

I had understood it to be even worse:

The sacrifices at the temple were expected to be pretty much perfect, and had to be found acceptable by the temple priests. So the merchants would get "pre-blessed" sacrifices that they would sell at exorbitant prices to the pilgrims, who would have the sacrifices they brought deemed "inadequate" by the priests.

So if you brought an animal sacrifice, you'd still have to buy another (costly) animal. If you brought money, you'd be forced to exchange it at a significant loss.

The whole thing was an obvious scam, and Jesus was killed over it (and the rest of his message). I don't believe he was God Incarnate, but I'm still a big fan of Jesus the man.

I'm pretty confident that all would have gone about the same way in this era.

[-] spittingimage@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it was the moneychangers and the stall keepers that tolerated them.

It was a religious duty to contribute money for the upkeep of the temple. So people would come from out of town and try to hand over their cash and the priests would say "we can't accept foreign coinage... go talk to that dude over there with the heavy pockets, he'll help you". And the moneychanger would convert their currency, but not without keeping a fat percentage for himself.

The lesson (as I read it) is that setting yourself up as a gatekeeper and forcing people to pay you in order to do the right thing is an especially odious behaviour, even if it's legal.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Technically the Bible had been changing since Jesus's death

[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

The gospels were probably not written until many decades after his death.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah - stuff we consider the canon was essentially wrapped up by about 100 CE.

The gospels were likely individuals taking other written material that was circulating around the time, and making their own little compilation based on the theological points that they wanted to make.

It’s really clear when you read the gospels and know the order. Mark was probably first, Matthew and Luke pull heavily from Mark and share something from something we call “Q” and maybe a “saying source.” Then John was written last.

It’s really clear when you look at the differences between the scene where they go to get Jesus’s body. In Mark - it’s just a guy who tells them Jesus isn’t there. Matthew has an earthquake and an Angel, Luke has two angels, John has Jesus himself say hi. John is where you get the most “divine” Jesus - because it really does seem that at first Jesus was understood as a mortal man speaking for God, but later influences from Greek philosophy and thoughts about “spirit” slowly turned Jesus into God.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 31 points 1 week ago

I guess we're going to get more denominational splits based on if Jesus' teachings about loving others is Biblically accurate. Yet another reason why he isn't coming back.

The real reason.

[-] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Their new Jesus is Trump.

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