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This is the very significant part:
At this point Canada should be playing hard ball. Ban all visas from anyone working for those companies, or anyone who delivers services to those companies for as long as they work for those companies. If they lie about who they work for, the ban is permanent and they personally are not allowed to set foot in Canada ever.
Real hardball would be going after major stockholders in CC and GEO Group.
Why would those employees ever go to Canada to work or study (to need visas). There's nothing to swing at.
People already bitch about not being able to go to Canada because they got a DUI. This is will absolutely cause someone's vacation plans to be fucked up. But more importantly this should be a policy of the EU and Mexico too.
Afaik place of employment doesn't come up when they scan the passport. Criminal records? Yes.
They can absolutely get their hands on names and add them to the list of people not allowed to cross the border.
There's more employees than just the border guards themselves. There's the HR, the IT, Accountants, Legal etc etc. Block all of them. If those services are contracted out, ban their workers as well. Might be a bit troublesome with companies like Amazon or Microsoft, but since you're banning individual workers rather than whole companies it might work out a little easier.
Make it so the deal is "If you associate with this company and you aren't a Canadian citizen, you are personally not allowed to enter Canada"
Who ever said it's limited to guards? The whole point is why would they being going to Canada for work or study, which is what requires a visa. You don't just meander over the border for a day of work.
If you're working around the northern border, then yeah, you probably go into Canada once in a while.
Most Americans don't even have a passport. And even if they did, you don't need a visa for vacations to Canada. He is limiting this to Visas which means work and study.
You absolutely need a visa. Just because you don't personally have to apply does not mean you aren't on a visa. And Canada already has a blacklist at the border. Adding more names is super easy.
https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1116&top=16
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Canada.html
They're imparting general information to the general public. You are absolutely on a tourist visa while you are there and they can (and do) deny entry and deport people. You do not have some kind of right to visit Canada just because you are American.
You can deny entry when they scan your passport and see your criminal record JFC. Or for whatever other reason. That's not the same as a visa JFC. I mean if you're going to literally ignore what's right in front of you. I've never seen such a stunning example of dunning kruger.
You're right in the details, but I do have to question for how long.
The detail? That a visa is not the same as allowing/denying entry? That's not detailed or complex information.
From a high level, "There is a process by which undesirable people can be denied entry" covers both "A visa is required to enter the country" and "A passport and not being on a watchlist is required to enter the country." So yes, you're correct, no tourism visa is (currently) needed for Americans to enter Canada. Also, yes, the other guy is correct that mechanisms can relatively easily be put in place to stop undesirable Americans of a variety of types from entering the country.
Mechanisms to deny entry is not the same as a visa. He thinks it is when he says "You do not have some kind of right to visit Canada just because you are American" and it's not. Period. I can't believe I need to have this conversation twice. I'm out.
You're the guy who is saying Americans wouldn't get work permits, yet a substantial number do every year. And while guards may not do that much, there are a lot of ancillary types who likely would. HR, facilities management, construction, security systems, and others I'm sure can and have opted to work in Canada at one time or other for a variety of reasons.
So there, now you both can be wrong, too.
Why do I bother but fine
If they currently work for that company, why would they get a work or study visa for Canada. His statement was those workers specifically, as long as they are currently working there. And if they stop working there to get another job or go to school, guess what they are no longer currently working there. (I wonder if this is where you be extremely pedantic and say there can be a small overlap where they work there but apply for a visa to go to school etc slightly before they quit.)
Ok really I'm out.
Right around 50-50, actually, but I'll bet you people near the borders are more likely to have one, for some crazy reason.
If a doctor has his license suspended and is not able to practice medicine in a normal hospital/doctors office, they are allowed to keep practicing medicine in prison systems. Poof, cut the costs of real medical doctors by employing those no one else can/will.
ideal next Luigi candidates