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There are no extreme forms of DEI because DEI is just making sure that everyone is able to be included and to discourage discrimination.
An all black college for example is not DEI. It is trying to counter systemic racism by providing opportunities to those that have historically and currently been excluded, so the goals are the same but it isn't DEI.
an all black college is discrimination of other people imo.
All black colleges exist because blacks were excluded from existing colleges. Not because there were all white colleges, but because they were excluded from the vast majority of colleges.
They have remain because of ongoing racism at other colleges. A group that is discriminated against by society as a whole limiting who can join their spaces is not discrimination.
im euro and i dont discriminate against any people. i dont care what colour you have as long as you arent criminal or bad to me and others. bad people are everywhere. there are many white or asian people that dont want or are to untalented for college. i would only let people pass classes in college if they pass with a pass grade. shoving anyone trough because of colour is not good.
Grades have not depended on race in mainstream or HBCUs. Admissions however have not ever been equal, and DEI initiatives were created with the idea of counterbalancing that - or in lieu of reparations, which would be a real attempt to correct the inherent issue.
more asians than whites are admitted, i read something like that somewhere. so should whites then be shoved into a university or wherever (i dont remember)? that would be discrimination in favour of whites then.
per capita?
i think so. east asians are on average better in school than whites and blacks.
so that's clearly fine then.
they dont get any quotas because of skin colour or eye shape so yes. if you are good enough to pass college then you should can pass all the classes until the end of college.
if not you dont belong there.
you were originally talking about people who were historically systematically prevented from attending due to the color of their skin, which means that we need to get the education level of that group up to the mean again.
if you change which group of people we're talking about, you're changing the historical context.
ups, yes im sorry. i replied to others and clicked wrong. :)
i dont think people should get anything because of what their anchestors needed to expirience. the people that want something werent there and didnt expirience anything. generational trauma is not real. (afaik!!!!)
because how far back in time should we go back? to ww2 or further back? many people enslaved eachother also in europa.
in ww2 my peoples land and its people was conwuered by another and is still under occupation but i dont expect to get anything in form of reperation. now my land is the wealthiest state in the whole nation. lmao
generational trauma is very much real. it manifests in how parents raise their children, how communities interact, in jokes and stories about others, in the way you see people, and even in genetics.
for example, the reason pacific islanders are usually pretty heavyset is that their ancestors were starved for generations by slavers, and developed more efficient metabolisms that used less. that's trauma from hundreds of years ago that physically manifests today.
i never looked the definition of generational trauma up. thx for explaining, i was unknowing. it seems i also have generational trauma. i dont mean it as a joke. :)
Europeans pretending they don't know about discrimination is always so funny.
lol i have many real ukrainian refugees here in my land and they are never in the news because of murder or stealing. we have a black pastor since a few years and everybody including me likes him and thats in a little tiny village!
i just hate murderers abd stealers. they come in any colour.
What do you think about Roma?
from my own personal exp untainted by news, they steal and beg.
No, it's not. And even if you want to call that a discrimination, it's a positive one.
So, there's no countries of majority black people on Earth? Don't you mean a majority black college in the USA? But wouldn't that majority by definition exclude other minorities like east asians, south asians, native americans, Hispanics et al? And what is a white person? A person from the south of Spain is indistinguishable from a person from North Africa, yet both originate from completely different backgrounds and neither would be white passing in the US. What about poor white people, do JayZ's children deserve a pass because they are black but the children of a Ukrainian migrant do not because they are technically white even if they are from a refugee family with little financial means?
What you said is myopic, nonsensical and a perfect example of an oxymoron, I'm going to go on a limb and guess you're US american. Congrats, it's regardation like the one you spouted that got Trump elected.
What the fuck is context anyway?
I disagree, there are definitely extreme forms of DEI, namely when we're talking about forced equal representation. Pools of potential employees are rarely perfect representations of society, for many different reasons. So if a company forcefully tries to have a perfect representation of society, that means they will discriminate against certain groups and hire less capable workers on average.
That opinion assumes the people who weren't being hired due to discrimination are less capable. Which is the kind of thing people use to justify discrimination.
Let me explain it with a theoretical example: you are a company and the field you're hiring in consists of 90 women and 10 men. You need 10 people for the job and want the most capable. Statistically that would mean hiring 9 women and 1 man on average, giving you the 10% most capable employees. But since you want equality you want it 50/50, so you hire 5 women and 5 men. That means that for the women you hired the 5,6% most capable employees, but for the men you hire the 50% most capable employees. So you get less capable employees this way, assuming both groups are equally likely to be capable.
Are all of the people qualified? Then everything past that is likely to be subjective as to what 'more capable means'.
If so, odds are pretty high that what the hiring person thinks are more capable are just people that fut their preconceived notions of who is likely to be more qualified. Generally that is tall, white men.
Not to mention there is a lot more to being effective workers, like communication and collaboration. A more diverse workforce tends to increase communication and collaboration when being diverse and inclusive are goals.
Not to mention people can grow as they get experience. So even if they aren't the most capable at the time of hiring, they might be in a few years. And if people don't get any experience, they will always have a disadvantage against even less capable people who have more experience. It is a feedback loop that makes even a small amount of discrimination have a mush larger effect.
Let me stop you here: You seem to lack the pre-requisite knowledge of laws, and the understanding of what HR departments and DEI departments do.
What you’re describing is absolutely, totally, illegal and has been since the 1970s. This was decided in Griggs v Duke Power Co. The phrase you can look up is “Disparate impact” and in particular the “adverse impact” and tests.
DEI has big problems, but most of them stem from businesses just slapping in a 60 minute micro aggression course from a third party service and calling it done
https://hbr.org/2022/12/the-failure-of-the-dei-industrial-complex
What DEI is supposed to do is stuff like: