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Have you talked to the Atheists on here? Cantankerous bunch. They've been in their little bubble for so long they get triggered by the slightest perceived critique of capitalist materialism.
Wait. What does atheism have to do with capitalist materialism?
How does my belief, or non belief, in god affect my lust for a Playstation 5.
I don't think they're against atheism. It's just the stereotype that online atheist communities tend to be insufferable, and, I'll say it, holier than thou.
Atheism is the religion of materialism, which is the philosophy of capitalism. People who idolize power, technology, and industry worship a mechanical universe, but they get mad when you point it out.
Or, they’re getting mad at you because they hate power and money, and you’re claiming they idolize it.
Atheism is materialism is capitalism. They don't just idolize money, it's the basic unit of their reality.
I honestly have no idea what this means and I’m super confused by this comment.
I was pretty religious for decades (Christianity) and things like money and power were all up in there. In theory, it wasn’t supposed to be, but it absolutely was.
Christianity is a religion which serves power, not God. Materialism and Atheism are the ignorant beliefs that nothing exists that cannot be measured or known, cooked up by beings which have a such a narrow field of perspective that they can't perceive a tenth of their surroundings, even with scientific instruments.
Well, all I can really do is speak for my experience.
I’m a big fan of the New Testament’s teachings on loving your fellow humans, not judging others, forgiving others, and treating people the way you’d like to be treated. That said, there were a lot of people in my churches / fellowships that claimed to care about that stuff, but got so caught up in the other dogma that they ended loosing site of JC’s main teachings.
My motivations for non-belief are not driven by idolizing money or material things. I’m kind of a hippy and I distain people that overvalue that stuff. I simply of the belief that I don’t need to understand the afterlife in order to be a kind an empathetic human being. Life is hard, and since most of us have experienced hardship, we know what it’s like when other’s are suffering hardship. So we should try our best to love each other and help each other out.
I take offense to people judging me as a materialistic capitalist without taking the time to get to know me. I’m not happy with people that hoard wealth, I hate materialism, and I’ve spend the last decade volunteering my Saturday and Sunday working in recovery clinics to help my fellow man… because life is hard, and sometimes you need someone to help you out without casting judgment.
All I can say is you're the one that assigned judgment and then took offense to that judgment. I don't blame you for your programming, I know it's a product of your culture. You still believe that you live in a transactional universe, and the sad part is there's nothing but bankruptcy at the end.
Re judgement: I wasn’t the one saying atheists are ignorant, materialistic, capitalistic people whose reality revolves around money.
And yeah, I take offense to someone calling me those things when they don’t know me from Adam. Matthew 7 - judge not buddy.
I try to live a life that prioritizes kindness, love, service, and charity to my fellow humans. I’m totally fine if you want to call BS on that. Feel free to say I’m a selfish money grubbing dolt, but I ask that you at least get to know me first before you start casting aspersions.
You're the one that attached judgments to the words ignorant, materialistic, and capitalistic.
lol. Ok.
I hope you have a great day. Wishing you happiness and health.
Ignorance means spiritual ignorance. There's no fault or judgement. It's the default state of man.
Materialistic mean the belief that all phenomena in the universe can be explained by material and mechanical means.
Capitalistic means that capital or earthly power is important and useful to wield.
You evidently only know the common uses of these words, and have attached negative personal values to all of them.
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As a general rule I have rarely interacted with other self-professed atheists that are specifically pro-capitalism. I'm going to have to go scroll through the community here, and see that for myself because I'm having a hard time squaring that in my head.
Man have you talked to the Tankies? They attack you even if you try to promote the idea of Socialism (while applying flawless historical materialism). Some people just value circle jerking higher than the exchange of ideas.
Disagreeing with someone and still acknowledging the other perspective as 'correct from their perspective' just isn't something that that online communities can foster that easy. It requires effort and imo a kinda 'small' number of users.
This just happened to me. Even tried to use Albert Einstein as a “see, Socialism can work” even though the topic was about tankies specifically. It felt like gaslighting so I stopped engaging.