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[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I don't really like this, because Nazis were the german national "socialists", why the fuck would some american dipshits be nazis, they are fascists, we should use the correct word.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 months ago

Neo-nazis. Shortened to Nazi. I think we understand what it means given the context.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Once again, Nazi was the name given to germans in WW2, because the National "Socialist" party, the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Fascism is the word for the political ideology that Musk and Trump does in America, not "nazism", they are fascists.

Here is a great video about fascism https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Neo-Nazism, not Nazism.

Neo-Nazism and fascism aren't mutually exclusive.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Again, neo-nazism makes no sense, imagine if Trump started doing shit then Europe banded together and defeated them, then 70 years later when Fascism rises in Europe and some Temu Mussolini takes over we start calling them neo-magas, or more accurately to derive the name from the political party neo-repies/neo-repubs

The politicial ideology of Nazi Germany was Fascism, the political ideology got its name from Italy.

The only way neo-nazis would be accurate if you would be referring to germans trying to do another Third Reich (maybe Fourth?)

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

GTFO! Currently, there are more shit for brain US Nazis, within the MAGA ranks, than the fucking German Nazis, within the AfD, could dream of.

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

So... what were the nazis in america that was promoting nazism at the same time as german nazism was on the rise?

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Fascists, there is no "nazism", and there were no nazis is america, they were fascists.

It wasn't german Nazism on the rise, it was german fascism, led by the NSDAP, hence the nickname nazi for germans.

Listen how nationalsozialistische is pronounced in german and you will get why the shorthand nazi was used.

https://youtu.be/VxxFl5Xc8nc

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago
[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

American fascists cosplaying as Nazis, it literally says there in the wikipedia that they adopted their style.

Plus you seem to be implying that these racist fucks are smart enough to know the difference between nazi and fascist

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

You are being extremely pedantic. Its like saying champagne can only come from the Champagne region in france.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 4 months ago

The Nazis weren't Nazis, so we shouldn't call them Nazis either by that logic.

If some dipshit pops out to say "they aren't German nationalists!" you've found a Nazi.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The nazis were literally the nazis, what the are you talking about

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You yourself admit they weren't socialists, correct? So how can they be national socialists?

The Nazis weren't Nazis, they were just Nas.

But that's arguing technical and semantic details instead of concerning yourself with the important bits, like what Nazis do and plan to do, and how you might punch them enough to get them to stop doing both.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Nazis were the nazis because that's how nationalsozialistische is pronounced, specifically the national part, https://youtu.be/VxxFl5Xc8nc, and then the allies used nazis as the nickname/shorthand. Has nothing to do with the socialist part, so your argument makes no sense.

Did you think they were called nazis because there is the "zi" part in sozialistische?

Because this comment thread is starting to feel like those reddit moments where someone starts pompously arguing from a position of ignorance

[-] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago

Of course it's a .world account stepping up to defend Nazis.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Lmao, where did I defend anyone? All I said that they should be called fascists, which is the correct word

[-] InputZero@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

They should be called Nazi's. Some left-wing nut job calling people fascist is an old trope. People can ignore it because they've seen it on TV a thousand times, it's a joke. Calling someone a Nazi on the other hand isn't used for a joke nearly as often. It's much more difficult for a layman to ignore. So while you are technically correct that calling them Nazi's is not the correct use of that word you don't get to decide what words we get to use. That is decided by the zeitgeist and social consciousness and calling MAGA followers Nazis is what's cutting through the noise.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I get to decide as much as you, mate.

[-] InputZero@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Agreed, and your opinion is totally valid. I hope I didn't come across implying your opinion isn't valid.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago

No it isn't.

The right to an opinion is not the right to be right.

[-] CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

If it's a quacking waterfowl and it's duck season, you better believe I'm pulling the trigger.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Nazis were the german national “socialists”, why the fuck would some american dipshits be nazis, they are fascists, we should use the correct word.

To borrow from a certain Austrian politican from 1923

"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?"

"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

"We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."

Besides, "The Fascist Party" was an organization originally founded by Benito Mussolini, having fallen out with the Italian Communist Party and formed his own reactionary splinter group. Fascism, as a reactionary response to the simultaneous popular appeal of socialism and the hostility it engenders from monarchism, is a synthesis of the two.

Fascism promises the red meat of social action that populists crave, while cultivating patronage with the aristocracy by deflecting criticism onto minorities. It is a "higher" form of political triangulation. Sort of the methamphetamine of politics, in so far as it juices the body politic to an enthusiastic euphoria of communal action that inevitably leads to self-destruction.

It is, in effect, all the worst aspects of socialism compounded upon itself. Rather than calling it "National Socialism" I would simply refer to it as "Socialism Done Badly".

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Yes, the word Fascism originates from Italy, but that is the correct word to use.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

It's all the same shit.

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