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[-] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 26 points 16 hours ago

Kamala vocally supported an end to the war

She also said she was unwavering in her support for Israel and would keep arming them.

Remember when Trump said he would lower the prices of groceries? Do you judge him on that, or on his actions? Why is it different for Kamala and Dems?

You know, "empathy" isn't just "I feel bad for people sometimes!". Empathy is the ability to place your self in other people's shoes. So now let's practice some empathy. Imagine you are Palestinian, and you live in Gaza. Israel has bombed your neighbourhood with American bombs. Aid has been withheld from you and your family. Other hospitals and aid workers have been bombed by American bombs. Journalists are being shot with American supplied weapons and ammo. Some of your neighbours or friends - who weren't killed - have been captured and are being raped.

Now tell me - keeping that state of mind and empathy - what fucking difference does it make that Kamala "vocally supported an end to the war"?

Can you tell me right now - concretely and materialistically, no vague bullshit - how things were/would be better for Palestinians under the Dems? I've asked this question so many times and have never gotten an answer that wasn't just vague abstract BS like "but Trump said".

It seriously astonishes me that the one situation where there is no difference between Reps and Dems (except for the words they use while doing the same thing), is the one situation people decide to shout about how much better Dems would be than Reps.

[-] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Now tell me - keeping that state of mind and empathy - what fucking difference does it make that Kamala “vocally supported an end to the war”?

Because it means we haven't been completely been written off yet, public pressure could improve things. So you'd want the person who controls your fate to at least pretend to have empathy, not the maniac who used 'Palestinian' as a slur.

Can you tell me right now - concretely and materialistically, no vague bullshit - how things were/would be better for Palestinians under the Dems? I’ve asked this question so many times and have never gotten an answer that wasn’t just vague abstract BS like “but Trump said”.

There was still a Palestine. Now there won't be. It's really not that complex. There is a clear difference.

[-] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 3 points 7 hours ago

Because it means we haven’t been completely been written off yet, public pressure could improve things.

Public pressure has been around for decades, and the democrats were still supplying them with weapons.

So you’d want the person who controls your fate to at least pretend to have empathy, not the maniac who used ‘Palestinian’ as a slur.

Two people stomp on you. One says "I want the violence to stop", the other calls you a slur. They are both still stomping on you. There is no real difference to the person being stomped.

There was still a Palestine. Now there won’t be. It’s really not that complex. There is a clear difference.

Go look at maps of Palestine over the decades, please. Palestine was already being erased. This is like if we clean up the entire room together but then I let you put the broom away, and now you claim you were the one to clean the entire room. Just because Reps are the ones finishing the job does not mean the Dems were better - we know they were not because we just saw them actively supporting the genocide.

[-] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 hours ago

Public pressure has been around for decades, and the democrats were still supplying them with weapons.

Not really it hasn't been in the spotlight until Oct7th. That's when real change can happen.

Two people stomp on you. One says “I want the violence to stop”, the other calls you a slur. They are both still stomping on you. There is no real difference to the person being stomped.

Two people stomping at you, one pulls out a knife and says 'lets get this vermin and his family too'. There is a clear difference.

Go look at maps of Palestine over the decades, please. Palestine was already being erased. This is like if we clean up the entire room together but then I let you put the broom away, and now you claim you were the one to clean the entire room. Just because Reps are the ones finishing the job does not mean the Dems were better - we know they were not because we just saw them actively supporting the genocide.

'actively supporting the genocide' isn't the worst thing you can do. What Trump is doing is objectively worse.

Put it this way.

  • Kamala came out and said: 'Israel has a right to defend itself, and how it does so matters'
  • If she had instead said 'Let's clean this filth out I'm gonna put a hotel here. All sanctions and blocks are cancelled. Please hurry up I have money to make. We'll provide some troops to help if needd'

Which is worse?

[-] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Not really it hasn’t been in the spotlight until Oct7th. That’s when real change can happen.

Not knowing about it/not caring is not an excuse. 1978 Oscars

Two people stomping at you, one pulls out a knife and says ‘lets get this vermin and his family too’. There is a clear difference.

That change in the analogy does not work because they were already going after all Palestinians, my dude. So who is the family is this analogy?

Put it this way. (...) Which is worse?

Clearly you and I just disagree on a fundamental level. I don't care what noises someone makes with their mouth while committing heinous acts, and I do not see a moral difference between committing a genocide and arming the people that you know are committing a genocide. Would you also make excuses for the people who knowingly worked with Nazis and made weapons for them?

EDIT: Initially linked the wrong video, then messed up fixing it. It's fixed now.

[-] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I was well aware of it. Talking about the global spotlight. MSM coverage. That is when real change is possible. It's not an excuse it's reality.

That change in the analogy does not work because they were already going after all Palestinians, my dude. So who is the family is this analogy?

Well, they weren't. They ramped up settlements in the west bank, using the tricks they learned in Gaza, and now are going to ethnically clense the entire population of gaza. The analogy holds.

Clearly you and I just disagree on a fundamental level. I don’t care what noises someone makes with their mouth while committing heinous acts, and I do not see a moral difference between committing a genocide and arming the people that you know are committing a genocide. Would you also make excuses for the people who knowingly worked with Nazis and made weapons for them?

Well there is a difference, of course. Not everything is binary, there is always nuance. I'd tell you to vote for the nazi' if they were running against a worse oponent, yes. Just like I'd suggest voting for Trump if he was running against Hitler.

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