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fuck tankies rule
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For idolizing the soviet union and the people's republic of china, who have done some very evil things. Tankies always try to undermine the sins of authoritarian regimes. They keep trying to instate authoritarian regimes knowing full well that they have killed so many historically.
If you want truly based leftism, try anarchism.
I've created no authoritarian regimes by giving food to homeless people. It was basically just unpaid charity work covered in red paint.
People's ideas are fluid anyway. I made a lot of leftists into tankies by just being nice and tolerant. I've seen tankies become anarchists because they're surrounded by them. I never succeeded at anything, and neither did they sadly. I wish they had. It was really nice helping eachother. I've never had so many friends. We should all become activists because it gives us so many friends.
It was really nice and I wish more people were like that online. In real life that's how it is.
Maybe you've also absorbed your beliefs from people around you, maybe not. I'd recommend you read this essay by comrade ziq, give it a thought factcheck it if you want to. I find standing in support of the states or atleast the supposed ideologies of the states that have done terrible things (that at least don't fit in my ideology of tolerance) to among others, queer people and other leftists, very distasteful and repulsive. It's not that we say "fuck tankies" for giving food to homeless people, that's not an uniquely tankie thing. It's the tanks yall.
I'd rather just be nice to people. I'm not going to go around and find an excuse not to associate with people unless they're dangerous or counter productive. Tankies like me are neither when it comes to any kind of activism. You could make a case for not letting their organizations help you if your values don't align with them. However there is really no reason to exclude good faith participation of every single individual in that group.
I'd really just say that after a long time of thinking it over a harmonious existence is better than one where everyone around me is correct.
Well, many people don't want to be around people with terrible opinions. You could make the same arguments as someone from the far right.
You could start by not labeling yourself after a weapon of war who's sole and only purpose is to kill humans.
That term wasn't made up by us lol, we stole it from libs when they started calling us that.
So you do use that label. I didn't say you made it up.
Mostly as a joke. No one seriously uses it as a descriptor. We call ourselves Marxists-Leninists.
List me some of the atrocities you talk about.
Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin: Stalin's rule was characterized by forced collectivization, which resulted in widespread famine and the death of millions of people, particularly during the Ukrainian Holodomor. Stalin's purges led to the imprisonment, execution, or exile of millions, including members of the Communist Party, military officials, intellectuals, and perceived political opponents.
The Great Leap Forward in China: Under Mao Zedong's leadership, the Great Leap Forward aimed to rapidly transform China's economy and society. However, the policies implemented, such as forced collectivization and the backyard steel furnaces, resulted in a disastrous famine, leading to the deaths of an estimated 20 to 45 million people between 1958 and 1962.
Cultural Revolution in China: The Cultural Revolution, initiated by Mao Zedong, aimed to reassert his authority and eliminate perceived enemies within the Communist Party and society. The movement led to widespread political persecution, purges, and violence, resulting in millions of deaths, as well as the destruction of cultural heritage, academic institutions, and economic disruption.
Khmer Rouge in Cambodia: The Khmer Rouge, led by Pol Pot, ruled Cambodia from 1975 to 1979. During their regime, they implemented radical agrarian communism, forcing urban dwellers into rural work camps and carrying out mass executions, torture, and forced labor. It is estimated that between 1.7 to 2.2 million people died as a result of execution, starvation, and disease.
North Korea under Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il: The oppressive regime in North Korea has been associated with widespread human rights abuses, political repression, forced labor camps, and the suppression of dissent. The regime's policies have resulted in severe food shortages and famine, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.