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Stop Treating Phone Numbers As A Digital ID
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this post was submitted on 20 Jan 2025
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I'm in a quest to find a good email provider that doesn't ask for a cellphone or another email address while creating an account, cock.li used to do this but now it's "getting back on its feet"
Just signed up for Tuta and they do not ask for this.
Tuta won't let you check mail unless you give them a phone number or pay, if I recall correctly.
Proton does this.
Proton? More like pro Nazi.
OFTL Did they support Trump?
Their founder did, very openly and expressively, it was quite bizarre
Then he tried to walk it back by gaslighting.
"I wasn't being political" said the man who was clearly being political.
The CEO made a remark about Trump, and used his corporate account for it.
If I recall correctly (no press statement was made by Proton), it was a personal remark on a corporate account, which he was quick to allow anyone to do. It also didn't support Trump as a whole, just a remark Orangeman made about getting small business a level playing field (which I totally trust from an olicharch).
I'm still sticking with Proton for the foreseeable future, as its privacy awareness and advocacy is still a core business value.
There used to be a way to make Google accounts with no number but that's probably been patched. I generally refuse to add numbers if I can help it.
Proton, Mailbox & fastmail are all good options. Best way to avoid it is self-hosting but that is beyond most people (as in time-consuming).
If it's associated with a specific device it will let you (ex my Android tv has its own account, no phone)
Personally I use mailbox.org, it's not free, but you are not the product
posteo.de
Selfhosted email I guess.
Is that even feasible without getting marked as spam by all the major players?
Hi, I recently set up my own email server
Hope that helps
Yes. I host my own using Mailu.io. With the proper records, you will be able to send emails to any big email provider (proton, gmail, outlook). You need to pick a good TLD (.com, .net, .org, etc) so you don't get your email thrown into the spam folder immediately.
If you buy a domain now, you will probably get on the Spamhaus blacklist, which every big email service seems to use (again, proton, gmail, outlook, and probably others), so you will need to wait a few months and keep a good spam record (well, don't send spam emails obviously and keep your email server with the proper configurations).
Also, pick a good VPS provider (No vultr, no linode) with low levels of abuse, because if you setup your email server in an IP range with a lot of abusers, you may get your email flagged. (You can check that using https://www.uceprotect.net/en/rblcheck.php, but I'm not sure if uceprotect is trustable).
You can host your domain pretty much anywhere and they will provide mail hosting as part of most packages. From there, it's up to you to talk to their servers to manage your mails, typically through IMAP.
Hosting companies will be whitelisted as far as mail routing is concerned.
create 2 proton mail account und use each other as a backup e-mail
Ionos enabled me to do that.
But I chose not to.