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What do hamas think of women?
Is this supposed to be some gotcha that justifies Israel's genocide? Because what does Israel think of all of the women they are killing? And in Syria as well.
No, but there's nuance. Hamas is not worth supporting under any circumstance. I believe the Arabs and Muslims in Gaza and the West Bank should be able to live peacefully with all non Arabs and non Muslims in the region. Hamas does not want that. Hamas does not want peace with non Muslims, especially Jews.
Can you point to any of the Hamas supporters on Lemmy? I have yet to meet one.
Look at the other replies here, I posted sections of Hamas' 2017 peace document which explicitly states their right to jihad and I got "yeah, jihad is fine" from someone. People defend Hamas here.
What you got was a definition of jihad you disagree with. That is not the same thing.
Jihad means "struggle" in Arabic. That has a broad range of interpretations. You deciding it must mean violence and only violence is the issue here.
I know what it means, I understand it means to struggle. They use it in a violent context, it is not misinterpreted.
Please do demonstrate that, because the images you shared talk about armed resistance, which means that if they get attacked, they're going to fight back. That's as close as it gets to what you're saying.
Yes, and they claim the right to do what they did to innocent people. They are innocent , as much as my neighbors in America are innocent, even though they are from all races and nationalities, they still are occupying First Nation land as defended by American colonizers and upholded by colonial capitalism. My neighbors are colonizers as much as I am, a half Filipino. My mom is a colonizer and is full blooded Filipino. She, and all of my neighbors deserves anything she gets if First Nation people wanted America back the same way Hamas wanted Palestine back for the Palestinians?
I do not disagree that I would not at all be surprised if First Nation people were so fucking hateful towards Americans, but would I defend that act? I couldn't, I love my neighbors. They are beautiful Muslims, Christians, black, Mexican, white, old, young, etc. What Hamas does to innocent people like them, I just can't do it. There has to be other ways.
You are changing the subject. You were talking about jihad within the context of the images you pasted. They do not talk about jihad in the context of violent resistance.
Here they reject peace deals.
Hamas decided peace was not acceptable by rejecting these accords.
They retain the right to use jihad to establish the following state (note the lack of Judaism mentioned anywhere in this).
Yes, I read it. Perhaps you can quote the part of it that uses the word jihad.
Made it clearer for ya
Very good. It says "resistance and jihad." Meaning they are talking about two different things.
Similarly, Tolstoy's War and Peace isn't just about a war.
Okay, but this is defending Hamas Jihad against anyone they deem a colonizer. They lay exactly who is an oppressor and what territory they claim to resist and jihad in the liberation of the oppressed Muslims, Christians, and Jews from Israeli colonial Zionistic occupation (all people in all of Israel and Palestine are considered Palestinians to Hamas).
Every person who recognizes the borders of Israel is killable to Hamas.
Am I misinterpreting their statements?
I literally just showed you that 'jihad' in this context is separate from any call for armed resistance and you're still acting like it's the same thing. So I'm really thinking you're a troll at this point.
I don't know, all I am saying is I do not support Hamas. You brought up Israel. Not sure why. I say look to the people in Kurdistan and Rojava. Those are governments who know how to help their people and protect Muslims and Jews and Christians and all other creeds. Jihadists Islamists do not believe in peace among nations and people.
I'm an anarchist so I don't care for the Israeli state or Palestinian state. States are inherently evil. We can see evidence of that on October 7th and beyond. Heck look at all of those intifadas and wars in the decades before October 7. Thus, look to Rojava.
You don't know why I brought up Israel when you brought up Hamas? Because they're fighting each other right now and Israel is using it as an excuse to cause a genocide which has done far more harm to Palestinian women than Hamas could have ever hoped to have done.
Why did you bring up Hamas? And if you're going to say, "because they're Muslims," why those Muslims?
Because Hamas wants to bring about a state that wants to genocide the Jews. Do you think they love the Jewish people?
That has nothing to do with the subject of this article whatsoever, which is about how the Taliban do not see women as human.
So how is that relevant?
Fair enough.
They do, though. Setting aside the fact that there are Christians living peacefully in Gaza, Hamas updated their charter in I think 2017 to reflect that. It has always been Israel rejecting peace deals, not Hamas.
It's so telling that in all your replies, you keep going back to how "Hamas is evil" while casually glossing over Israel's role in this genocide and their constant crimes against humanity.
Exploding buses from Hamas? No no no, inhuman. IDF forces dressing up as healthcare workers to go around unnoticed? Or Israel using civilians as human shields? bUt wHaT aBoUt hAmAs!?
It's also telling that some 20 days ago, in another post, you wrote
So you do understand violence as a legitimate method of protest/resistance. But you don't understand it for Hamas or any other Muslim groups. Interesting...
You Zionist trolls are all the same
Luigi killed an oppressor. Teenagers and old ladies that Hamas targets in their atracks are not oppressors. I'm not unaware of Israel, but Hamas does use human shields. This is a fact. Hamas cannot ever do this. It is inhumane. It shreds them of innocence. It makes removing Hamas impossible without innocent loss, and I hear you on wanting thay. If oct 7 resulted in only oligarchs and military leaders and politicians being targeted I'd be having a different discussion. If any intifada by Hamas had desired peace instead of total war, we'd have a different discussion. Hamas is as evil as Israel is, I agree.
So you're really not even going to try anything else but "bUt hAmAs" in your replies, eh?
So did Hamas. But you keep denying them the same benefit of the doubt you give to this guy. I guess to you all those dead Palestinian people across almost 80+ years of occupation are not entitled to the same level of violence as a random guy who grew up with a wealthy family. You are really showing your true self with this replies.
They are called casualties. And they are not directly oppressors, but they are without a doubt settlers of a colonial movement. They are in the line of fire because they went into a land that was not theirs.
See my previous comment about your inability to reply without whatabout your way back to Hamas.
There we are. The classic Zionist propaganda coming through.
It is not and it will never be a total war. A war would require at least 2 armies fighting against each other. This is a brutal and one sided genocide carried out by Israel. Period.
I don't. The level of actions carried out by those 2 entities are not even remotely close. You just value some lives more than others and are trying your very best to condemn people that have been forced to endure a brutal ethnic cleansing campaing for the past 80+ years.
I've seen your other replies as well. You are free to reply to me, but I've seen and said everything I needed to say to such trolly (read Zionist) behaviors
I'm sorry, but Hamas is not worth defending. I want peace for Gazans and everyone over there. I hate that Jews were given the fucking shaft because of Britain and the Ottoman Empire. There's just too much history here to even call this simply Zionism, it is too reductionist.
If Hamas dedicated themselves to disarming after and allowing all people to exist as a separate state from Islam, I'm all for it. Go Hamas if that's what they want. Hell yeah, bring peace to your people, the Jews, the Christians, the atheists, etc. Allow them to vote in your society, allow them all to participate in government and practice their faith openly and without persecution.
They do not want this. They want an Islamic state guided by Islamic faith to rule over the land of Judea/Israel/whatever. I do not desire this.
They actually do. And they have said so multiple times.
Oh wow, so now you're just going full Islamophobic again, uh? Let me know when you have a reply based on reality and not scary ideas you pulled out of thin air to further victimize the people enduring a genocide
Look at any of my other comments man, you will absolutely see I love my Muslim brothers and sisters. I even say I am okay with the spread of Islam and the Arab ethnicity, I just don't support it via state or violent means (I don't support in theocracy or ethnostates).
I am against nationalists of all religions and political ideologies. Hamas is not exempt from this.
What does Israel think of all the women they raped and killed then? And what does it think of children too, since they killed more children then any other country in 2024?
Gtfo with your Zionist talking points
Where is my love for the Israeli state? I believe all peaceful people should be allowed to live, and there are lots of peaceful people in Gaza and the West Bank and Israel/Judea whatever you want to call the place. Nationalists over there are not peaceful.
Are you aware that Hamas is the only reason people in Palestine have water and electricity?
I’ll say it again, you're just using Zionist talking points. And it takes a special kind of entitled person to tell a group of people being ethnically cleansed how they should act and how they should be "mOrE pEacEfUl" while being the victims of genocide
I think the people of Palestine should implement a state like Kurdistan and abandon their ties with Hamas. I support Hamas as much as I support any government who kills innocents in the name of jihad or any other "struggle". Same with the Israeli government. I support them as much as I support Hamas. I support the people of Judea/Israel/whatever you want to call that hunk of land more than I support any of their governments.
My goodness, I'm just trying to have a level head here? I have never supported Hamas, before or after October 7th. I very much remember their suicide bombings of busses. Do I excuse the IRA during the troubles? No. Fuck the IRA, but I don't disagree with their plight. I agree that the Irish people deserve their land. Same with the people in Gaza and the West Bank. I hate the British empire as much as I hate the Israeli state. I hate Hamas as much as I hate the IRA.
I'll post my (edited) comment again for all to see since the mods thought it was too uncivil in its previous version.
And how exactly are they supposed to do any of that while being bombed? Or while Israel doesn't allow them to leave their internment areas? Or while dismissing any ceasefire proposal? What you're saying is impossible because Israel doesn't want it to happen. And I find gross how in all of this you keep putting the blame on Hamas instead of Israel, the one with the money, power and influence in all of this
So to you being the victims of a genocide is just another "struggle". Thanks for making clear to us the kind of person you are. You're definitely not the victim of Zionist propaganda /s. But sarcasm aside, I’ll stop interacting with you now. There is only so much victim-blaming I can stomach in a day
A lot better than the Taliban, that's for sure. The Taliban are a whole thing on their own when it comes to women's rights.
Fair enough. Don't disagree on the taliban.