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So all we need to do is find a way to put people in prison!

Win-win!

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago

Ah yes, California's penal legion of ~~slaves~~ "indentured servants" that we uh... voted to keep around in the last election.

Man, CA politics are fucking bizarre. Sometimes the slam dunk no-brainer propositions fail and there never seems to be a really good reason why.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago

Money, and liberals.

California is liberal. Not left. Every once in a while some leftist proposition comes up that threatens money, and money always wins.

When they say liberals are wolves in sheep's clothing, this is kinda what they're talking about. They care, they really care about their fellow man, as far as their comfortable standard of living allows.

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

๐Ÿ˜ŒโœŠโœŠ Liberals ๐Ÿ˜ซโœŠ๐Ÿ’ฆโœŠ๐Ÿ’ฆ

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Liberals huh? So where are the leftists in all this? Destitute in the streets?

Edit: oh yeah downvote me harder marx cucks ๐Ÿ˜ซ๐Ÿ’ฆ

[-] Hackworth@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago
[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Oh, so only leftists fight fires huh?

[-] Hackworth@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago
[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah for sure all of those prisoners are leftists. Yeah youre starting to sound about as smart as a leftist keep going

[-] Hackworth@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Oh, you're serious. I thought we were doing one of those fun bits.

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah i get tired of hearing about liberals on here

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

Well that's only fair, because I'm pretty tired of dealing with their policies.

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago
[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

Lots, but currently pretty fucking infuriating to see cops get an increase of 160 million, while the fire department gets ~17 million cut. But I guess it balances out if they use those police to build an indentured class that they can pay next to nothing to fight the fires instead!

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah totally policies set forth by liberals. Totally not ancient federal and state laws

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

See part of why I have so much of a gripe with liberals is this sort of mentality here. California is one of the most solidly blue states in the country. Since you didn't defend it on the merits, it seems you agree the choice I described in my post was not great, correct? But instead of realizing that it may be possible that rich politicians from your team are not actually on your side, you just defer to nebulous 'ancient laws' that apparently make it impossible for helpful choices in, and lets be clear here, a city deciding it's own budget. Care to point to the federal and/or state laws that just hamstring the benevolent liberals of LA and force them to increase the police budget by 160 million dollars? Laws that apparently can't be challenged, or circumvented by the liberals in those positions, since they would certainly do so if they could, right??

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Rich politicians are not liberal. They are neoliberal. There is a vast ocean between the two

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

Neoliberals huh? So where are the liberals in all this? Destitute in the streets?

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago
[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago
[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Bitching about liberals from their ivory towers appparently

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

So are the liberals bitching about neoliberals from ivory towers then?

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Right. What im saying is leftists are the same until a policy measure fails then to people on here "its the fault of liberals" as if theyre not the same arm of the constituency. Its just devisive bullshit

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

So did they vote to keep slavery from their ivory towers, and blame it on neoliberals?

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

It looks like the entire state was ignorant or misled by deliberately confusing wording. Down ballot voters were more likely to check "no". Had they used the word slavery in the measure it would have more likely have passed like it did in a variety of other states that, wait for it, are liberal

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Okay, so the neoliberals that are the actual problem chose poor wording so they could trick the liberals into voting to keep slavery?

Were the changes to the LA budget the product of "ancient federal and state laws" or neoliberals now?

Are all the politicians neoliberals, or just most with power in the state?

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Im not really sure which part youre confused about. The law that has existed since the 1800s, how ballot measures are worded in "legalese" so theyre difficult to understand, or that neolibs are republicans wearing democrat skin?

I know its a lot to comprehend but i think you can do it buddy

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Do you think liberals are fighting to make more sensible ballot language and have just failed because they can't garner enough political power in California?

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I think theres too many rich folk that dont want to push the envelope

[-] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago

Those ancient and federal policy makers? Liberals, probably xD

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Where were the leftists then?xD

[-] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 1 points 3 months ago

Honestly, at the time they probably were the left. Depending on which definition of left vs right we are using, because of course there are multiple stances on what left vs right means :(

cries in recently educated

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Kinda hard to say but youre probably right considering the 13th amendment passed in 1865 and it was between the mid 1800s and early 1900s the parties switched

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Hitting a little close to home?

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago
[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago
[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Its like having an idealistic sibling you for the most part agree with and defend that goes goes behind your back trying to sow discord to your other siblings for seemingly no other reason but to pump up their own ego.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

It's like having a boisterous sibling who makes bold claims and pumps you up, but when it comes time to put their money where their mouth is, they slink away with their tail between their legs. Or even, at times, rally with the other side.

Sure, maybe we're idealistic. At least we follow through.

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Follow through with what? Circlejerking on lemmy? All i see that doing is alienating potential allies. The same goes for lowborn conservatives. You are losing allies with your messaging.

Neoliberals are DINOs. They are part of the ruling class with the far right republicans. They are not the same as regular people with liberal views who's only power is to vote, volunteer and donate. In fact I would argue that leftists are typically liberal. Youre not winning hearts and minds with this crybaby shit

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Indentured servants would be college graduates and the loans they bear.

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