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Men's Liberation - A Place to Discuss Men's Issues With A Focus On Intersectionality
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I like the concept of being able to talk openly about mens' issues. That liberation name is unfortunate; in my opinion, it definitely sounds at least apologetic towards misogyny. What do we have to be liberated from?
Consider that patriarchy hurts men too. There's a lot of pressure to be a certain way in order to "be a man", no crying or expressing emotions beyond anger or happiness, gotta be tough, that sort of thing. We can and should liberate ourselves from those toxic expectations
Edit: i'm sure someone else might be able to word it better, that's just off the top of my head/how i interpret it
Naw you nailed it. It's a reference to Women's Lib
It's a reference to the women's lib movement. It's about liberation from patriarchy and traditional gender roles.
See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_liberation_movement
Sure, but if you have to spend this much time explaining what you mean, it seems counterproductive. And it's going to attract the toxic personalities and opinions that we're supposed to be liberating from.
Women's liberation is not some esoteric piece of history. It's in living memory for a lot of people and was a household term for decades. For those unfamiliar, I think it's worth asking why that may be.
Right, but Women's Liberation from what? A patriarchal society that oppressed and exploited women. Men's Liberation is not at all the same. I agree with the mission statement, but women were second class citizens, denied education, denied positions of power, denied basic human rights and civic decency.
Men don't require that level of liberation. Casting off societal pressures and expectations, living free of gender-based norms or requirements, and discussing how those pressures affect your life, those are noble pursuits and I'm here for it. I support that. I'm on your side.
I'm just saying that the comparison doesn't highlight the things you want to highlight. The implication is that the struggle is the same, that the severity is equivalent, and in the worst case, the roles are reversed. Misogynistic morons will try to co-opt the name to say that men need liberation from women, and that's just an absurd fantasy held by an alarming number of neckbearded alpha bros. It implies you support the patriarchy. I know you don't. But I didn't know that from the community name, I learned that by reading the explanation.
The name isn't new, it comes from the same place as women's lib, afaik the concept of Mens Lib has been around since the 70s. We all want to be free of harmful and unnecessary gender stereotypes. r/menslib was a great subreddit.