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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I can't believe that after thousands of years humanity still struggles with "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

When under attack, defend yourselves. When a potential possible attack some time in the future seems likely, or when a benefit provided by society via democratic system is taken away, if you attack preemptively then you're probably just a POS.

We might be happy this time, but the next person might kill somebody we like. They might feel emboldened to target trans folk and democratic socialists. If violence escalates to riots then one side might start gunning the other down in the street. The only people who want the poor and ignorant to kill each other are enemies of our society as a whole.

You do not get to decide who lives or dies. No one does.

[-] wolfshadowheart@leminal.space 37 points 2 months ago

If an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, one person denying over 80% of insurance claims is a whole lot of eyes, which is a crazy ratio. I don't think your analogy works.

Nation wide, 305 million Americans have health insurance. Over 80% were being denied because of a faulty system these companies refused to fix. That is 244,000,000 people. Two hundred and forty four million people being rejected.

United has 51 million people it """"covers"""", being generous and saying it was only 80% who were getting denied from this system means that's still 40 million 800 thousand people.

All your what ifs already happened because of 2016 btw.

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[-] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 2 months ago

This isn't "an eye for an eye" this is about the neutralization of a serial eye remover. An eye for a thousand eyes seems a very easy choice to make.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

If it was an eye for an eye we'd trap them and their descendants into ever worsening debt spirals, make them use a system that actively works against them to get their health issues treated, and we'd sit them in places for eight hours a day, for five days in a row, where they must do as we say to survive. This isn't an eye for an eye, this is a sucker punch after years of having our eyes systemically removed.

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[-] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You’re the epitome of the cautionary adage that all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.

As for your claim that an eye-for-an-eye is somehow bad? Tit-for-tat is an excellent strategy for maintaining successful cooperation.

Lastly, there’s no coherent normative theory according to which killing is bad categorically. That’s simply ridiculous.

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[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

An eye for an eye doesn't make the whole world blind. It makes a few people blind until they wise up and realize "Wait, I like making people blind, but I don't want to be blind!" And then they stop blinding people, thus removing the need to blind them in return.

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[-] ericatty@infosec.pub 14 points 2 months ago

I would argue that people we care for are already under attack and dying... some of them directly because of bad policies, political and corporate.

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[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Then why are you celebrating the death of a bad person in the first place? That's the actual "eye for an eye" shit that's making you blind. The death itself isn't worth celebrating, only the effect of it on the world.

We are under attack dumbass. We're being parasitized by the rich! The democratic system in the US is gone with the election of Trump. What the fuck do you actually think that would look like if not this? You're either in denial, or too cowardly to actually stick to your word.

[-] turddle@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

If anyone ever wondered who would sympathize with the British in 1775, posts like OPs should answer that question

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[-] zea_64 12 points 2 months ago

This is basically the tolerance paradox but for violence. If people are willing to use violence on me (denying healthcare, keeping us poor, stochastic terrorism) then I'm fine using it back, otherwise they get free reign.

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[-] theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

The violence has been escalating longer than you've been alive. This instance is smaller than the day before it.

You don't have a problem with violence, you just dislike it when it's done to the rich.

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

You do not get to decide who lives or dies. No one does.

The CEO did.

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