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Many people lead busy lives and don't use Arch btw (you know that funny saying here on Lemmy? well if not, you'll learn it soon - in fact you're hearing it now!:-P). They use what works best for them. We could improve our tools to entice them to want to come here, but we can hardly blame them (imho) if they don't want to yet, if Lemmy (or Mbin, PieFed, etc.) does not meet there needs (yet).
We are growing though. e.g. check out !loops@midwest.social, which I would guess probably has no counterpart on Reddit atm? (their internal video player sucked, and presumably still does since they seem so focused on profits rather than usability)
Ew you use arch? Real smart people use templeOS.
I am fortunate enough that my workplace offers me a Mac OSX:-). Which I promptly use to ssh into a Linux ofc, but that one I do not have privileges on. And I don't do much rooting or OS replacing on my Android at home lately.
My point is that they all are "under God" (from templeOS perspective?). Except Windows ofc, which is under Satan:-P.
Lol, I agree that Windows is the only true villain, lol. I’m actually a macOS user. I have recently come around to Vim (technically Neovim), and I’m trying to get better at basic terminal utilities like grep. These mostly work the same on macOS, so I don’t feel like I’m missing out at all by not using Linux. I tried daily driving Linux, but Mac really satisfies all my needs. But I am very grateful for Linux and all its open-source contributions.
Mac is awesome!:-) Sorta. Apple has become "The Man" that it used to despise but... the product, I mean the desktop product, is still good. For now.
The GNU utilities are some of the most highly optimized on planet Earth. Actually they probably are the most highly optimized!:-D
Also, Mac OSX is POSIX compliant, making it more fully "Unix" than even Linux itself is - or at least, some flavors of Linux are allowed to not be POSIX compliant. templeOS is not POSIX compliant, and some parts of Arch (e.g. fish shell) are not either, reportedly.
Whenever I say that I enjoy using Mac OSX, the only pushback I tend to receive is that it typically runs on expensive hardware. However, it is unix with a pretty candy shell - e.g. that Preview program if f-ing amazing! and the Anti-aliasing everywhere, and the Spotlight search, and... it has much wow factor overall!:-P - and I think a good fraction of people who like Linux would enjoy using it, if it were free (which technically it is, the OS I mean, and that doesn't even get into Darwin...). The major caveat being Arch users, who want to customize every tiny thing to their heart's content. Which is fine - we don't all have to enjoy the same things:-).
I really like your take! I agree Apple has amazing products, but I do fear that will degrade as they become more of a monopoly. I never thought of it as pretty Unix, but that makes a lot of sense. Admittedly, I don’t know the history that well, but I’m assuming Steve Wozniak was a big Unix guy, and Steve Jobs is responsible for it being pretty. So it makes sense.
I spend most of my time in Vim and the browser, and those are both extremely customizable. So Mac has never felt too limiting for me.
Though Apple is expensive, I bet you could pick up even an old M1 Mac and still have fantastic performance. I know people argue Apple sabotages their old phones, but I think their hardware actually holds up really well, except for a few exceptions over the years.
I use Vim everywhere I go - Linux, Mac, even Windows:-). It's just beautiful. And also a command-line window, and like you said, a browser.
Also MS Office bc unlike their OS, that one is fairly solid, and works well especially when collaborating with others, unlike open source offerings for so many years (I dunno the history either but apparently it's sordid, with "drama" and various forks being developed and abandoned, so sad).
PCs get expensive as well - especially if you use them for gaming. I don't, but if you do, then a $1-2k (USD) Mac is nothing in comparison to a $3-5k gaming machine, and the former offers a fantastic experience in return for that value, whereas before Linux improved (and probably more relevantly Steam did - again I am not fully aware of the history but I think that's what I've heard), a Windows machine was something that you mostly had to spend hours and hours trying to disable as much of the built-in OS as you could manage. No wonder people prefer Linux these days - if you are going to have to delve into such details regardless! But with Macs, all of that is entirely optional bc it's a great experience right out of the box.
I've given up on their phones though, bc iOS is really difficult. Then again these days so too are Android phones, and I don't know what to do about it all. An iPhone on a network with something like a Pie hole (I've never set one up before) could be a nice experience, maybe? But I just enjoy the experience of Android too much - except I won't pay the price for an expensive Pixel (I barely even use my camera!). I was thinking for my next phone to just buy any cheapie, or perhaps a Fairphone. I'm done chasing "good" phones though.
Tmux is also super cool. I just dipped into tmux plugins for the first time the other day. Resurrect is sick.
iOS is where I disagree. Overall, I think Apple has done a fantastic job. The hardware and software both feel top-notch as a consumer. But I honestly don’t know why developers keep coming back to Apple. Apple’s relationship with developers is hostile. I hope the antitrust lawsuits shake things up for them.
I kinda hate Google and, by extension, Android. Maybe my hate of Android is irrational, but I really think Google is doing a wonderful job enshitifying search right now. And I just assume anything Google touches is spyware. I know it’s kinda impossible to stop, but if I can at least opt out of the entire OS spying on me.
Google and Microsoft are not the only evil software corporations - Apple has become that as well. Fortunately desktops seem to have been made immune, while the iOS app continuous to lock everything down inside of its walled-garden philosophy. Apple makes it super difficult to send files to the device - e.g. if you wanted to transfer a file (like a PDF) from one machine to another using your device as a USB drive - and other things so that while yes, if every single thing that you want to do lies within this walled garden then you are fine, however if you want to set even one foot outside of it, you will quickly find the limitations unbearable. e.g. the experience using an Apple email account is amazing - you can start typing a message on your phone, then continue on your desktop, then continue again on your phone, back and forth as much as you like. But even just sending and receiving emails at all, or like working with calendar invitations, using a non-Apple email account provider, such as Google's Gmail or Microsoft's Outlook, it's absolutely abysmal. Every professional workplace I've ever been has given me a Microsoft email that is mandatory for me to check, so I don't have the option of simply not using Microsoft, and instead I find myself not using iPhones, as they do not meet my needs.
Android is not Google. Android is open source, and there are many implementations of it - Samsung is very popular, OnePlus used to be, and yes Google Pixels are just one example of Android but they are by far not the only ones. They are the most "pure Android" versions of the software though, without added vendor-specific stuff like both Samsung and OnePlus have entirely separate stores to purchase apps from in addition to the Play Store. It gets a bit more complicated when Google has used the "embrace and extend" philosophy to somewhat destroy Android from within by poisoning its development from the inside to make it work the way that they want to - but importantly, anyone at any time could create a fork and continue its development along different lines (which routinely happens! these are the "custom ROMs", like Lineage OS), so it still lies within the realm of open source software, as opposed to Apple's walled garden that is entirely closed, both in source and in terms of you not being allowed to do with your Apple hardware what you wish.
You might also like a Fairphone then. Or we may both end up hating it - I don't know enough about it to be able to guess, it's just that other than iPhone or a major Android provider like Samsung or Google or OnePlus, what else even is there, especially an option that is more purely open source?
Those are good points! The EU did force Apple to switch to USB-C, and the US government is coming after tech monopolies. I’m optimistic they will nudge Apple in the right direction. We did just get the most repairable iPhone ever, according to iFixit.
As far as Android, it may be open source, but hasn’t Google used their influence and money in a lot of shady deals to ensure they remain at the top? That’s what the recent case against them was about, both in the context of Android and Google search. Again, I think the government will nudge Google in the right direction.
I’m a bit of an Apple fanboy. I love their hardware and I love that macOS is Unix-based. I work in the terminal a lot for my job, and it gives me everything I would want from Linux but in premium hardware and tight integration with my iPhone. I also like that they are more privacy-focused than Google, though I also don’t trust that they really care about my privacy. At the end of the day, big tech sucks, but they have built some cool things. I’m hoping the government stops them before they get more greedy.
We should not be so confident about anything involving the USA moving forwards - after the recent election, EVERYTHING can now be different. Maybe. Possibly, but while I don't know what will happen, I also do not know what will not happen either, hence this is a time of great uncertainty.
I have thought about trying another iPhone, though if I did, I would want it not to be my only portable device. I simply cannot afford to be sent e.g. an email message or calendar invitation or some such and have it not come through or be displayed incorrectly purely b/c it came through via a Microsoft (or more rarely Google) account. So then on top of the >$1k price tag, I would need a laptop or Android that is still yet another ~$1k or at least hundreds more? (or depending on someone's workflow environment - e.g. if your work offers you a laptop, and you need that for a trip - then at least carry around a USB drive with you as well, to have available to use at a moment's notice). At that point though why not just get the Android and bypass the iPhone entirely, especially if that one device would meet all of your needs? iPhones are very pretty, with amazing glass touch & feel, and have nice functionality - again, so long as you remain entirely within their walled garden, though depending on my future job prospects, I may not be able to always function within those constraints.
And yes Google is ruining Android, according to many people from what I hear, though I am not fully up-to-date with it. I suppose my point there is that a downwards trend to go from an open-source environment moving towards a more closed one is still not comparable to iOS that is fully closed already. If Google is bad b/c it is making Android more like iOS, then how bad is Apple for having made iOS that way right from the start? Although I thought the actual case against Google was about its search engine, not Android, or there have been some other investigations along the lines of its Play Store, again not entirely about the actual "OS" (when such things as F-Droid can bypass their monopolistic store).
Most Apple fanboys, such as myself, tend to love Apple until it betrays/disappoints them and then abandon it in a huff of rage-quitting:-). I have taken a middling approach though and remained with Mac OSX b/c it is a fantastic product, but iOS is a different story imho. Either way their hardware and the software integration with that is top-notch, I agree with you there. It also is significantly more expensive for a similarly-specced Android device, especially for offering much less functionality - I suppose it is a more "premium" device, for those willing to and capable of working entirely within its tight limitations. I suppose my biggest beef is that I would no longer feel outright "proud" to own such a device (necessary for me to justify a higher price) as I would have in the past, and yet I cannot really say that about any modern mobile device anymore, unfortunately, with enshittification having touched every manufacturer so hard.
So I will vote with my wallet and find something that meets my needs when the time comes to replace my current one - possibly a non-flagship cheapie, or maybe a Fairphone if that would be good enough.
Ok, the Fairphone does look really cool. I don’t plan on switching phones for a few years, but I hope they succeed.
I hope so too.:-)
OnePlus phones also used to be nearly as pure and lightweight as older Google phones, I mean from before Google started the enshittification. But they screwed up so hard, running off one of their co-founders (the tech guy, being ran off by the business/money guy), that most enthusiasts abandoned them. Also they switched from their OxygenOS to the crappy ColorOS used in cheap Huawei phones.
Afaik, nothing else has risen to fill the gap, and looking at the state of technology in the world today where every company chases after purely short-term profits to the exclusion of all else, I don't know that there ever will be.
At which point it boils down to iPhone, if it works for someone to use that, Samsung if people like that (I don't), or something small.
Maybe that’s what I see in Apple. It seems like they don’t make all decisions based on the short term. At least compared to other tech companies. But maybe I’m naive for thinking that.