Meanwhile, back in the real world @Seagoon_
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-21/icc-issues-arrest-warrant-for-benjamin-netanyahu/104633044

The fact is that the vast majority of death, destruction and terror in the region have been inflicted by Israel and its Zionist progenitors. Zionists were the original middle-east terrorists and remain the most depraved.
@Joshi

#Zionism
#Palestine
#Israel
#genocide
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#terrorism

Again. I am answering in good faith assuming you will do the same.

I am perfectly willing to concede that I may have understated the size of the initial attacks and for the sake of argument I will concede your claim that there are 10s of thousands of Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

The issue at stake here is that at least 180,000 civilians have been killed to say nothing of the injuries and other traumas. The IDF has deliberately targeted civilian populations who had nothing to do with the attacks.

Again, I may not be opposed to a proportionate response but to killing hundreds of thousands in response to what you claim was a crime of 6000 people is not proportionate, it is brutal and unnecessary and likely to be counterproductive to any hopes of reducing violence from either side in the future.

Do you have a position on this specially? Do you deny the death toll, or do you assume that all 180,000 killed were terrorists?

I am genuinely interested in your response.

Certainly there is a justification for a strong response against Hamas. What you need to grapple with is that the response has been against the entire Palestinian population and has caused an enormous death toll of civilian non-combatants.

If I may take your example of the Taliban, a clearly reprehensible organisation. It would not be appropriate for opponents of the Taliban to indiscriminately attack the civilian population of Afghanistan in much the same way that it is not appropriate for the IDF to target the civilian population of Palestine using the crimes of Hamas as justification. Indeed during the Afghanistan war the US and allies took precautions to target fighters and minimise civilian deaths and were rightly criticised when they failed.

Over 10 years of the War in Afghanistan the civilian death toll in Afghanistan was most years less than 4000, in Palestine the civilian death toll is 40 times that in 1 year.

There is no double standard here, no one is saying Israel shouldn't have responded in a proportionate way to the initial Hamas attacks but what Israel is doing is targeting the civilian population in response to the (admittedly reprehensible) actions of, yes, a few dozen people.

I am genuinely interested in hearing your response here, please don't take this as a personal attack but I hope you understand my perspective here.