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[-] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 101 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Random person: Hey Hitler, can you please stop doing the Holocaust.
Hitler: Nein.
Random person: Damn, guess I can't do anything. If I used force to stop Hitler from committing a genocide I would be just as bad, because everyone knows killing a Nazi who wants to kill every Jew and killing an innocent Jewish person are equal moral acts.

I honestly don't understand how people think like this. All they do is enable fascism and the imperial ambitions of more aggressive nations. As long as we live in a world with sovereign nations, some of those nations may do something extremely wrong that requires a war to stop, and that doesn't mean you just let them do it. Ultimately, war is bad but genocide is worse and sometimes sacrifices have to be made (exclusion existing for nuclear war, which would render humanity and most of life on Earth extinct).

[-] LadyAutumn 50 points 2 years ago

Neoliberalism is how people think like this. In order to stop the wave of strikes, protests, and violent demonstrations for workers rights the capitalist ruling class started heavily pushing the doctrine that "All acts of violence are always morally wrong". They indoctrinate children into it through the education system and mass media. The intent was to stall the progress of workers rights movements in the long term, and it worked exactly as they intended.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The biggest thing people don't understand is that governments exerting control necessitates violence, as laws are only recommendations otherwise.

[-] PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The question of whether something should be a law should always consider: “Is this worth using violence to enforce?”

You're correct, it's just a bit demotivating. There must be some way to reinvigorate the labor movement both in the United States and globally, but I'm not entirely sure how. I think the labor movement in the U.S. has recovered a bit from the massive damage that the Reagan administration caused it, but it's slow-moving.

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