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Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they're about to be hunted for sport.

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[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 160 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It really isn't leftists' fault, though. Trump easily won the popular vote and flipped georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin from their dem vote in 2020. Low voter turnout/voter suppression are the real culprits - along with dems failing to do almost any of the things that could've changed this outcome. Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago

Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

I'm not necessarily attributing blame here, but I'm pretty sure that OP is suggesting that leftist memes helped lead to this apathy. Say what you will, Trump voters were excited for their candidate... somehow, despite the list of reasons not to being far too long to be listed here. But many on the left either were just lukewarm on her, just considered her the lesser of two evils, or were protest voting third party or abstaining for one reason or another, mostly over Palestine. And there were memes galore to make clear to everyone what the general mood was. It doesn't exactly inspire enthusiasm to those that need that a lot of enthusiasm to even bother (those people are frustrating, btw). I don't know how much it actually contributed to or propogated the apathy versus how much it just reflected the apathy already there, but a case could be made either way.

[-] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They didn't lead to the apathy - they pointed out the existing apathy would cost Dems the election. It's like saying the person who said you need to wear a seatbelt caused the wreck.

You're exactly right about people being excited for Trump and lukewarm on Harris, but that's entirely on the Democrats for picking the platform and strategy that lost to Trump in 2016.

Harris had a notable and surprising lead when they announced Biden was out - then they changed nothing else. People didn't just not like the candidate, they didn't like the policies. They only changed the candidate and thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn't work.

[-] Tyr_Raidho_Othala@reddthat.com 19 points 5 months ago

thought Trump was a big enough cudgel to bully people into voting even though that demonstrably doesn't work.

What kinda ass country is this?

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 4 points 5 months ago

Oh boy, if you haven't, read its history. Its real history. Wild stuff.

[-] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 11 points 5 months ago

Kamala isn’t on the left. The democrats aren’t on the left. This is a false dichotomy. They’re all capitalists. You can’t be on the left and be a capitalist, so leftists had many more disagreements with Kamala than Palestine.

Now, if you want to look at a great analysis of fascism and the false dichotomy in American politics, read Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 6 points 5 months ago

It is on the candidate to inspire people. Yeah, the left was lukewarm to a candidate that was trying her best to court Republicans. How else could you expect that to play out?

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago

Why do you think the turnout was so low? Millions of idiots were pressuring people to withhold their vote over Palestine in a colossal self-fuck. That is if you assume these people spreading that are really that stupid. Some were, but I think a large percentage were paid trolls. And their campaigning worked. Russia owns the United States now

[-] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 23 points 5 months ago

Yeah there are only so many times Biden can go "hey isreal, you'd better stop that genocide or else!" While doing nothing whatsoever and even giving them the weapons to continue the genocide before people go "well they aren't going to do a damn thing about this"

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

and that's why I voted trump! /s

[-] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 14 points 5 months ago

I'm not supporting that idea nor voter apathy. But i can certainly understand why Kamala lost Michigan, Dearborn has the largest muslim population in the country. I can understand why so many people there might be apathetic or uninterested in voting for a party that has put forth no pushback or even plans to stop an ongoing genocide against people of their faith.

Again, Trump will absolutely be far worse by just greenlighting isreal.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Trump will absolutely be far worse by just greenlighting isreal.

Something every human had the means to see coming. They just either didn't care or plugged their eyes and ears to it.

[-] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 13 points 5 months ago

I'm not disagreeing with you. All I'm saying is that I understand why say a Palistinian American might be adverse to voting for the side actively faning the flames to a genocide including their own family members. I can imagine waking up and being told you should vote for the side that supplied the bombs that exploded half your family and going "why? So the other half can also get bombed? My whole family is going to die either way" and that being their rational for not voting.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Wh vote for the side that didn’t interfere when someone else bombed your family, when you can help elect someone who will encourage them to bomb every living relative too

[-] LienNoir@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Yep! Why didn't they vote ?! Why didn't they choose the genocide eneblers, it's only been 1 yearsince it started!! Those abstinent peaple are surely responsible for what Trump gonna do. But the Kamalla voters aren't responcible for it. They are the right choise !!!

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

It can't possibly be because that's a real concern. They had to be paid actors. You sound like Infowars after a school shooting.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

yeah because cambridge analytica was also a hoax

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Are you seriously comparing a fucking genocide to an info op?

[-] normal_user@lemmy.one 5 points 5 months ago

I see, so in order to save "democracy" people should have supported Genocide.

Honeslty maybe the Democrats should have seen this coming to themselves for supporting, and I will repeat it once more in case you don't understand, GENOCIDE.

Imagine voting for 100% Hitler because another guy could be 150% Hitler.

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[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 points 5 months ago

Only 10% of the electorate even cared about Gaza. You're giving the American people entirely too much credit.

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[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 months ago

I distinctly remember hearing about unusually high voter turnout.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

It just wasn't blue voters.

[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

There's a million reasons people have given me for voting Trump, none of them rational. But the classic tropes of fear and disgust won out again. I'm old enough to remember the 2004 election, then it was gay people. Now it's trans people and dark-skinned migrants. I really didn't think those old tropes would work this time, but it just keeps working. Americans will just keep falling for it, apparently.

While it's depressing that we're reminded of the power of dumb at hateful people yet again, we should remember that nothing actually changed in that regard this election. We're just discovering what's always been there beneath the surface. I don't think the malaise we're feeling now is so much about what Trump will do - sure scores of people will die from bad policy, but that's nothing new. Rather, we're upset about what this reveals about ourselves. But we shouldn't be upset about the act of revelation, because it tells us what we need to fix.

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

If Harris had campaigned on the issues she would have had so many Republican women jump ship. Just look at how many of them voted for abortion in Missouri.

[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It wasn't 'voter apathy' it was a misplaced sense of voter moral superiority. It's the thing leftist rhetoric has been weak to for a very long time. That love of withholding support except for perfection. The idea that compromise or chosing a lesser evil from two bad options dirties you. It doesn't matter what you lost if you personally took "the high ground".

This cutting of our noses to spite our face was exploited all to shit this election. They lulled people by appealing to the same zeal of righteousness that they know divides us fundamentally knowing that when push comes to shove people will turn up their noses on principle of not being personally catered to and forget that their ability to help at all is contingent on the freedoms that one party was explicitly putting on the chopping block.

It will be a while before people can admit that they were duped and there's a lot of fault to go around, particularly in those funded astroturf campaigns designed to bait the hook... The right have been watching us for the past decade they knew how to divide us and it is on US that so many of us fell for it.

[-] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 7 points 5 months ago

You really think the 15 million people who voted for Biden but not Kamala was "misplaced sense of moral superiority"? Why?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 5 months ago

Because that explanation makes them feel better

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[-] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 5 points 5 months ago

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about

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